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Sunday, 13 July 2025

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Mike wrote, "It's called "Photos: The Scale of China’s Solar-Power Projects," and unfortunately it's behind a paywall."

Available here ...
https://www.theatlantic.com/photography/archive/2025/07/photos-china-solar-power-energy/683488/

It tells me ...

"To read this story, sign in or start a DIGITAL TRIAL or DIGITAL SUBSCRIPTION." ... but all the images are available without either. And they are big and colorful and beautiful. Worth some time on a big screen.

FWIW: I do not subscribe to The Atlantic, but I *CAN* see the amazing photos, followed by a "to read this story, sign in, start a free trial, or subscribe today" tag.....

Mike, your link took me to the photos without a paywall, and there is a free trial. Incredible and your comment is too true. Shows solar farming in every sense.

Interesting about China. One opinion I keep reading is that we are seeing China and India returning to their historical global economic dominance, that the European/American rise was more of a several hundred year aberration, and now that some Western innovations have been fully integrated, they are shifting back into position.

FWIW the Atlantic web site showed me the pictures without me needing a subscription.

You don’t actually need a subscription to The Atlantic to see the pictures. I was able to see them all just fine. And they are surrealistic! Very much worth looking at as photographs in their own right.

That’s an interesting insight on how countries become essentially locked in on the energy source that made them into a great power, and then subsequently find it impossible to reinvent themselves as something different when the technology moves on. The photography parallel would surely be Kodak, which knew all the digital photo technology (they even invented much of it) and knew that the film era must soon be over, but was utterly unable to re-configure the company to take advantage of the new technology. We know what happened there of course.

OK, so I just added American Theocracy and On Tyranny to my Amazon Canada orders. Should arrive tomorrow. I had just been listening yesterday to Timothy Snyder talking about his move from Yale to Toronto, on Substack (where his book gets mentioned) and this just seemed like the universe was simply telling me to just get the damn book!

China has turned to alternative energy sources because they have to import the majority of the oil they use. This, and their world strategy, is why they are attempting to monopolize rare earth mineral resources. To Make America Great we have to remain at the forefront of science discovery and new technology innovation and implementation. Some just don't get it.

It's intriguing as an Australian to see homeless Americans interviewed. They can't get medical help and society has abandoned them, but they still hold firm that America is the greatest country on Earth. And for some reason think that being patriotic is uniquely American.

It's that lack of introspection combined with a disinterest in other countries that are leading you to the end of your empires time.

Which is cyclical and predictable. And because of human nature, unavoidable. One day, China will fall too. But my children's children will be long dead by then.

We're still clinging to coal, so I see no hope at all for getting off of oil. We've been energy independent since 2019 when net exports of energy became positive. Not sure how long that will last with the consumption of AI data centers though.

China is doing a lot of good in renewable energy. But the problem with China is that it is a mix of (communist) government controlled ‘planned’ economy and rampant ‘uncontrollable’ capitalism. They regularly go overboard in their industrial development whether it is railway or building construction, steel mills, electric cars, packaging industry for manufacturing, and many other fields. Probably including wind and solar power. They build so much capacity that it drowns the world in over capacity and eventually leads into bankruptcies and commercial disaster also within China.

We actually produce more energy than we need. Oil is a little more complicated that one realizes.

The U.S. is one of the few countries where the majority of refineries (about 70%) can handle heavy, sour (lots of Sulphur) crude. Most other countries don't have such capability. They prefer light, sweet (very little Sulphur) crudes.

So the U.S. takes the heavy, sour from the Middle East, Canada, Venezuela, etc.) and sends West Texas Intermediate (light and sweet) out to other countries. This is a net gain for the U.S.

It does not cost significantly more to refine the sour crude (when you already have the specialized refineries). But the sour crude is cheaper than sweet crude. So there is an extra profit for the U.S. refineries that can handle the sour.

In a similar vein to oil, you could make the same argument for Kodak and digital photography. Keep film going as our "cash cow".
Years ago, Khrushchev boasted of burying us economically. Russia never did, but China is about ready to.
Photo with inspectors walking along a service is really striking. The panels look like a modern quilt.

Mike, as a subscriber, you can always include a gift link, which makes it widely accessible.

Here's mine for the Atlantic portfolio:

https://www.theatlantic.com/photography/archive/2025/07/photos-china-solar-power-energy/683488/?gift=Fw9TOfYLDgI2sUgDAsSlJeh-4Cz_x0xIQ7qpwzzYiuA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Here's a 2024 article, also from the Atlantic, on the incredible rise of cheap, decentralized solar panels around the world:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/10/solar-power-energy-revolution-global-south/680351/?gift=Fw9TOfYLDgI2sUgDAsSlJVoKYAL3wEW7keVAdKKH9Cw&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

In glad you shared it because I could see the full article, The Atlantic offers one free article per month at least where I am!

Mike, I can't thank you enough for the article on solar power vs fossil fuels. The photos in The Atlantic are amazing, and really illustrates how far behind the United States is on energy. When people complain to me about clean energy subsidies, I explain that we have been subsidizing fossil fuels for decades through our military involvement in areas that we otherwise wouldn't care very much about.
We have two hurdles. One is a president who claims coal is "beautiful" and "clean", and leads the obnoxious "drill, baby, drill" chant. The other is that we seem to be unable to carry out large public works projects in a reasonable amount of time. It is too easy for projects to be delayed because of bureaucracy or for some sort of review. Ironically, some environmental activists have been responsible for delaying or killing projects that would have benefitted the environment. The Biden infrastructure bill passed in 2021 allocated $7.5 trillion for installing EV charging stations. Three years later, only 214 chargers were operational, and 24,800 had been started. That program was illegally stopped by the Trump administration earlier this year. If installation of these chargers as quickly as possible had been a priority, those chargers would have been available, and there would have been more confidence for people to buy an electric vehicle. That opportunity has been lost.

US - Saudi relations are a strand in Adam Curtis 2015 documentary "Bitter Lake". Worth watching for it's individual visual approach although opinions differ about the effectiveness of the narrative. Available on the BBC, althoough not sure about outside UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gyz6b

I don’t know what we can’t see behind the paywall but just googling “ China’s Solar-Power Projects” for images yields an amazing array of stunning photos…

In Europe (and I probably elsewhere too) we currently have an invasion of chinese EVs, a whole plethora of brands being built at brand new robotic factories. No longer just a cheaper alternative they are technically highly advanced, sleek, good looking cars that outperform their European competitors at the same price point. Here in Norway most buses in the major cities are now electric and chinese made (while American buses seem unchanged since the 1980s).

China's human rights violations has also faded into the background seeing that the US is currently operating concentration camps. There is no longer a good guy - bad guy dynamic, and if anything China is the more stable trading partner.


"primers (the word is properly pronounced to rhyme with trimmer)"

Only in America, and goodness knows why, orthographically. See: dim and dimmer, dinner and diner...

But we've been here before, and must agree to disagree... Interestingly, though, the use of a double consonant to indicate a preceding short vowel seems never to have troubled the spelling reformers.

Mike

Solar power is safe, clean and reliable ... when the sun is up and there are no clouds. [that's just not true. My friend Jim's solar panels charge batteries, which run his house. They're called house batteries and they're similar to but somewhat larger than car batteries. And his panels can generate power in cloudy weather. He has

Nuclear power is safe, clean, reliable and free from weather constraints.

Wikipedia ...

In the United States, nuclear power is provided by 94 commercial reactors with a net capacity of 97 gigawatts (GW), with 63 pressurized water reactors and 31 boiling water reactors. In 2019, they produced a total of 809.41 terawatt-hours of electricity, and by 2024 nuclear energy accounted for 18.6% of the nation's total electric energy generation. In 2018, nuclear comprised nearly 50 percent of US emission-free energy generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_States

[Re "Solar power is safe, clean and reliable ... when the sun is up and there are no clouds":

That's just not true. My friend Jim's solar panels charge batteries, which run his house. And his panels generate power in cloudy weather. He has a gasoline backup generator—looks like a lawnmower motor—that they have to run for several hours when the weather has been heavily overcast for 5 days straight and the days are short. They run it three or four times a winter. That's it for the year. His house has been solar for 30 years. In Vermont. On the West slope of a ridge that blocks the sun until midmorning.

From the article, which I'm suggesting you should read: "...here’s the current prediction from the I.E.A.: by 2026, solar will generate more electricity than all the world’s nuclear plants combined. By 2029, it will generate more than all the hydro dams. By 2031, it will have outstripped gas and, by 2032, coal. According to the I.E.A., solar is likely to become the world’s primary source of all energy, not just electricity, by 2035." –Mike]

If you can't see any website due to blocking for whatever reason, https://archive.is will usually make them available.

Here is the link to the China Solar portfolio
https://archive.is/OH3hp

In Germany we currently have 50-60% solar and wind energy powering the country, save the 1-2 weeks in January when there is no wind AND heavy cloud cover.

Usually, most of the year when the sun sets the wind will get noticeably stronger, so both complement each other rather perfectly.

Finally, industrial sized backup batteries slowly come online as well, but for the average household it would actually beneficial to have a few kWh battery storage on site to run your house/flat for the night hours. If you got enough battery capacity to last 2-3 days, you wouldn't have to dread short blackouts and the battery would last for ages.

Regarding primers, the Oxford Very Short Introduction books are an excellent way to become acquainted with virtually any topic. They’re short, pleasingly compact books written by experts for interested laymen. There are currently over 750 volumes.

A very “Ed Burtynskian” portfolio.

Mike wrote, "Assuming the pattern plays out, America is going to have a very hard time moving away from oil."

"In the United States, nuclear power is provided by 94 commercial reactors with a net capacity of 97 gigawatts (GW), with 63 pressurized water reactors and 31 boiling water reactors. In 2019, they produced a total of 809.41 terawatt-hours of electricity, and by 2024 nuclear energy accounted for 18.6% of the nation's total electric energy generation. In 2018, nuclear comprised nearly 50 percent of US emission-free energy generation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_States

We were well on our way to moving from carbon to safe, clean and reliable nuclear technology to power our economy. Now the band wagon seems to be carrying only intermittent wind and solar.

I wonder how much it will cost for replacement solar panels after their short lifetime if up? According to Forbes ( https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/solar/how-long-do-solar-panels-last/ ), the higher quality panels currently last around 25-30 years. (Solar inverters generally last 10-15 years.) Unfortunately, recycling of the solar panels is limited.

We need oil for lubrication, but as a fuel it is harmful, if not as bad as it used to be, thanks to catalytic converters.

Replacement sources for oil need to be recyclable. From what I've read about wind turbines ( https://www.delfos.energy/blog-posts/reuse-recycling-and-disposal-of-wind-turbine-parts-an-investigation-into-industry-practices ), ". . . 10-15% of the used materials are wasted during blade fabrication and then disposed of in landfills . . ."

"The high costs associated with recycling processes, coupled with the low market value of recycled materials, can deter investment in sustainable waste management solutions".

The recycling costs will need to be added to the overall cost of wind turbines, as well as other energy replacements for oil.

[Well, we were talking about solar, not wind. The article, which I'm suggesting you read, directly addresses the issue of recycling, and it's pretty amazing: read from the paragraph that begins, "Some experts feared that we might run out of the minerals necessary to build the panels and turbines and batteries, but that fear seems to be fading." --Mike]

And yet, ( https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/13/business/china-coal-plants-highest-level-hnk-intl ) China is building more coal plants that anyone.

If there is ever a war with China, and they try to starve our energy sources by blocking the Middle East oil shipping lanes, than by gosh we will just reciprocate by blocking out that shiny orb in the sky!
~ D. W. Orr Photo & Poetry

One big issue with solar panels is they occupy a vast surface area. Although if they are placed on top of warehouses or homes, then they use space that has already been ruined for agriculture or natural habitat. A second issue is the eventual need for disposing or recycling the panels.

A big advantage of chemical energy (oil or gas) is the compact footprint of a power plant.

The most compact energy (now) is nuclear, but no one can predict if there will be much future expansion. And in USA, we have been too cowardly politically to develop a waste disposal system or strategy.

OK, I strayed into wind power from the original solar power discussion.

You quoted, "Some experts feared that we might run out of the minerals necessary to build the panels and turbines and batteries, but that fear seems to be fading." (That appears to be behind a paywall.)

My argument was that the recycling of old parts and structures is the problem, not the manufacture of turbine blades, solar panels, etc.

This has been an interesting set of comments -- thank you for letting us to briefly (I hope) wander off photography.

My recent experience researching simple and complex topics is moving me to AI -- as a starting point anyhow.

My last comment on the future of energy and electrification is a list of "Key Strategies to Reach 100% Clean Electricity" from Microsoft Copilot.

Grid Modernization
Building Electrification
Energy Storage
Public Lands & Rooftops
Transportation Electrification
Policy & Zoning Reform

These are in addition to how exactly electricity will be generated. We have some interesting years ahead of us. Makes the switch from film to digital look like a walk in the park.

Ok. THIS will be my last comment ...

Google spends $3 billion on securing energy for its data centers and AI expansion

A new deal with Brookfield Asset Management will yield the company 3,000 megawatts of hydroelectric power.

https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/google-spends-%C2%A33-billion-on-securing-energy-for-its-data-centers-and-ai-expansion-145145966.html

Makes a few solar collectors on the roof or in the back yard look like child's play ... and re-powering and re-wiring NYC look like a nightmare.

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