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Great article.. lots of useful and sharp observations .. I rarely read an article a second time (same with books and films.. with a few rare exceptions)... but I sense I might read this one a few times.

His story reminds me a bit of Don McCullin, another exceptional British photographer brought up in harsh circumstances, but McCullin never quit. His work, along with that of guys like James Nachtwey, will go down as some of the finest of the 20th Century, and, I believe, will be looked at the longest. No postcards here.

Though you can't blame Killip for taking a straight job -- independent non-commercial (art) photography work generally pays at a poverty level. If you're going to do it, best to have a trust fund. Relaxing into a job at Harvard must have felt wonderful.

As usual plenty to think about in your writing. As for Chris Killip, you have told me a lot about him that I didn't know and I live in England. I now know why In Flagrante is the only book of his that I am aware of.

No coincidence, I think, that two of my favorite photographers, Strand and Kertesz, each retained a passion for photography for over 6 decades, while successfully engaging in multiple and diverse genres.

I'm hoping that bloggers of the future will comment that AI's usurpage of human creativity lasted less than a decade before it slinked off to more useful endeavours like sorting through masses of engineering and scientific data and other useful grunt work, where it belongs.

I don't know about artists in other fields, but I am familiar with how certain photographers, genius though they were for certain works produced, get a lifetime pass for everything that follows, even though it's questionable- at best.

Paul Graham is rightfully noted as probably the most influential photo documentarian to start using color with his triad of books centering on the UK and culminating with his masterpiece A Troubled Land. Afterwards, like other artists who don't wish to constantly repeat themselves, he went on to more 'personal' projects which I personally found rather sophomoric, experimental things students tend to do when "finding themselves." Critics also seemingly praised these endeavors, while I thought- what the...

And there are others in the same vein, for sure. Perhaps they should have just stuck with that they did best after all- but not for me to say. Then you have someone like a Lee Friedlander who tweaks his methodology just a tad (by switching formats from 35mm to square format)- and produces what is arguably some of the best work of his life, so late in his life.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that when someone as good as a Chris Killip comes along, you naturally want them to keep coming up with the quality goods you've come to expect from them- as with any other artist in any other field you admire. Would have loved to have seen his take on some aspect of America... FWIW, I hope there are more of his Irish landscapes to be seen- I rather like them!

Excellent post, Mike. Thank you.

This interview/conversation might answer some of your questions

https://youtu.be/BPFdiyA-J-g?feature=shared

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As someone who has worked in academia (also a member of one of the communities Killip photographed, at least by descent) I am completely unsurprised by his move to the US. He was born in 1949 and his first work was 1970 when he was 21. He was 42 when he moved to the US and had spent 21 years – half his life and his entire adult life – living, at best, from grant to grant and, at worst, on nothing. He had been offered an academic job in the US and by 1994 he had tenure. Yes, it meant perhaps giving up what he was most famous for, but it also meant no longer having to worry all the time about where his next meal was coming from.

Nobody who has lived the kind of precarious life he had would be surprised by that.

[Well, maybe, but you might be assuming facts not in evidence. Koudelka, for one, deliberately embraced a nomadic life, for many years even refusing to keep an apartment. Weston was another who chose a frugal and penurious life. A number of photographers bankrupted themselves for their all-consuming projects, including Curtis and Brady. You might be right, but it's not a given that all people will choose security over what is good for their art. —Mike]

Just an FYI, Chris Killip, like me, was a Manxman not just a Manx. You can use the shorter form for the Manx people as a whole but not for individuals. Like French men and the French.

Blues artist John Mayall at a live gig was heckled to perform "Room to Move"from an early album. He called back - "ýou want me to sing an old record or something?" I think it was he that then called "Would you ask Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night?" I think artists move on and get irritated by people wanting them to repeat what they are known for. Remember the upset when Dylan went electric...!

[Believe it or not, Beethoven was annoyed by the popularity of "The Moonlight Sonata." Some things never change! --Mike]

You saved the punctum for the end, moving back to the Midwest?
Where ever you are Mike, I will follow you on the web.

Oliver Cromwell did not last long either. Fortunately.
Other dictators did, unfortunately.

You can't turn back the clock...ain't nostalgia just great...Miles Davis kept moving forward...

I haven’t read his thoughts on his work in the North East. I’m from the North West and grew up in similar conditions to the subjects in In Flagrante. The intentions behind his work were honourable, but they couldn’t change the lives of his subjects, which I’m sure he realised. Perhaps he couldn’t deal with benefiting from their plight, or perhaps he got what he wanted. You don’t get a gig at Harvard by being in a photograph, but you can help the photographer get one. Most of his subjects from the North East would have happily swapped places with him, but almost all had no choice but to live and die in their hometowns.

Been there done that…might be a fitting description of why he didn’t go back and photograph more of Ireland. Bill

Wasn't it Joni Mitchell who used the Van Gogh line? A member of the audience had shouted out for Carey and she commented on the differences between the performing and plastic arts. The moment can be heard on her live Miles of Aisles album, which is of course fabulous.

Newcastle and the surrounding area (Tyneside and Wearside) were the cradle of the industrial revolution in England, becoming the focus of mining, ship building, heavy engineering, and railways. Killip went there as it was entering its last throes, finding communities living in poverty in a post-industrial landscape At the same time Newcastle was embracing the new brutalism movement and tearing down communities and the much of the town centre. You can see some of this in the film Get Carter in which the final scene is set on the coal coast of Durham. In 1969 the Finnish photographer Sirkka-Lisa Knottinen came to live in a suburb of Newcastle called Byker and spent 7 years photographing the residents there until her own house was demolished by the town council. The collection is published in the book Byker. She also helped set up the Amber Collective which runs the Side Photographic Gallery in Newcastle. Their site alone is worth a visit.

This "problem" might be especially challenging for photographers who attain renown for work done in a small or remote place. But there are also plenty of examples of photographers who manage to transcend the early work that launched their careers. The Turnleys, for two.

On the other hand, two of your examples, Cartier-Bresson and Frank, are best known for the work they did while traveling. And Josef Koudelka's best work is inseparable from his exile and itinerancy, and in fact are more highly regarded than the early journalism that got him noticed. Even his best known localized work concerned an itinerant culture. Yet in general constant travel is hard on a person--especially travel to remote areas or conflict zones--it's no surprise if a photographer can't keep that up for long.

Lee Friedlander seems to have spun out a longish career. Stephen Shore arguably parlayed a short creative period for some time. William Eggleston's may be another of those long, in some ways slow, careers. Those three arguably focused on the mundane. Maybe that's the ticket to a long career--the mundane is everywhere! Eggleston pointed to Frank as a critical influence. I don't know if the other two did as well, but I wouldn't be surprised. I like to think that Frank taught them how to see like strangers in their own strange land.

Interesting to see a mention of Houghton-Le-Spring in your article. It’s a place I have a connection and have spent some time (about 20 years actually). I suspect most residents would not however consider themselves Tynesiders. The town is located south of the River Wear midway between Sunderland and Durham. Most would probably identify more as Wearsiders. There are some similarities in the areas, both with a history of shipbuilding and coal mining, although both industries are now long gone. The rivalries extend to more than just soccer (see English Premier League fixture towards the end of the year).

https://flic.kr/p/VknkKA

It’s an area with a long and interesting history. Even Houghton-le-Spring itself has quite a history. The linked picture is a Neolithic burial mound located at the eastern edge of the town. Next to that (I think it was where I was standing to take the picture) is the old Hetton colliery railway. An early Stephenson line, but not quite as famous as the Stockton and Darlington line which was built shortly after. The Hetton Colliery line missed out on fame as it was not locomotive drawn, instead using a mix of horses, stationary engines and gravity. The parish church in the centre of town has a history dating back to the 11th or 12th century. Not bad for a small town and there is much more of interest in the surrounding areas.

P.S. back to the discussion about EVs. I noted many people brought up reduced range when cold. But that could apply to my petrol(gas) powered car too. The stop/start system that cuts the engine whilst waiting at the traffic lights only works when there is enough heat in the catalytic converter. For my daily commute (traffic lights every half mile) I loose about 10-15% of range over winter.

Re the comment about EVs: All ICE cars lose range in cold weather; I don't know how much of that you can blame on the stop-start system. But the overall point is well taken. People with ICE cars don't fuss about it, as having to go to a gas station periodically is considered normal, and they're ubiquitous. A car reviewer pointed out that while the range of the Ioniq 5N (the souped-up track-ready version of the Ioniq 5 EV) is considerably less than the standard Ioniq 5's, it's on par with ICE hot hatches similarly tricked out for racing. Yet it's a bigger issue for the 5N buyer than for the ICE hot hatch buyer. EV "range anxiety" often is more about infrastructure, charging tech or habits than about range. Which is good because all of those things are changeable, and infrastructure seems to be improving rapidly.

That YouTube video linked above is quite interesting. Amazing that a photographer who was happily kicked out of school at 16 would eventually get a phone call and go on to accept a position as tenured chair of Harvard's photography department. I wonder if they even have that department today.

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