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Have you ever noticed that sometimes when people are selling their fancy, expensive cameras online, the pictures of the item can be particularly crappy?
Make up your own joke.
I'd post the absurd example I ran across, in a auction for an OM-D E-M1 Mark II, but that would be mean. The illustrations seem to have been taken with a phone, remarkably incompetently.
I've always been of the opinion that a good photographic craftsperson can exercise deliberate control over any kind of camera. Is there any reason why pictures have to be sloppy because the photographer is using a phone?
Of course there are two kinds of "deliberate control." One is technical, the other is artistic. Technical control implies that you can use good composition, framing, exposure, etc. even when you're using a smartphone or some kind of sub-optimal camera. More than half the skill of making beautiful technically competent shots doesn't reside in any camera.
Artistic control implies a different goal—that the photographer understands the inherent properties of the equipment and is deliberately exploiting those limitations to make characteristic-looking pictures. Why use a Diana toy camera to try to make the pictures look like they were taken with a TLR? Whatever we're using, we can choose to make it look characteristic of that kind of picture. And that can include deliberately giving up control.
As an example, take a look at some of the Holga wedding photography of Zoe Larkin. Now, before you get your umbrage all ruffled, she doesn't do weddings exclusively with the Holga—they're just a fun little extra. She says on Instagram, "I charge a tiny amount for this as an add-on, despite the high costs of both purchasing and developing film, because I genuinely love doing them...and the serendipity—one might even say oftentimes capriciousness—of lo-fi, point n’ shoot film…but that is what makes it so darling."
f minus, Girl in a whirl, 2007
(CC by 2.0), Holga 120CFN
There's a whole community of people out there who embrace that lo-fi capriciousness. Generically known as Lomography. I don't know much about that world, but here's how the ever-useful Wikipedia defines it:
"Lomography is a photographic style which involves taking spontaneous photographs with minimal attention to technical details. Lomographic images often exploit the unpredictable, non-standard optical traits of toy cameras (such as light leaks and irregular lens alignment), and non-standard film processing techniques for aesthetic effect. Similar-looking techniques with digital photography, often involving "lomo" image filters in post-processing, may also be considered Lomographic.
"While cheap plastic toy cameras using film were and are produced by multiple manufacturers, Lomography is named after the Soviet-era cameras produced by the Leningradskoye Optiko-Mekhanicheskoye Obyedinenie (LOMO)."
As regular readers know, one of my hundred favorite photobooks is Iowa by Nancy Rexroth.
Keep the goal in view
But if you're taking pictures of your Z7 or R6 to post it for sale on eBay, it's the opposite. The fact that you're using your smartphone is no excuse for not understanding flare, focal length choice, basic composition, and basic exposure. A good photographer can take competent product pictures with a phone. Consider that Tika Jabanashvili of Tbilisi, Georgia, photographs for Vogue and uses Apple and Huawei phones. Some of the best photographic technicians I know use Micro 4/3 cameras. And so on.
Okay, I'll say it—the joke is that it's no wonder that seller is offloading his OM-D E-M1 Mark II—doubtless it takes crappy pictures too. His for-sale illustrations make it seem that he doesn't have much skill with cameras or feel for the visual.
I could tell stories, but I don't want to be mean. I'll just say that cameras only intersect with skill and intention—they don't make up for those things when they're lacking.
Mike
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Stephen S.: "Without an example posted, some readers may vastly underestimate how incredibly bad a photo taken to sell a camera can be. I came across a Facebook Marketplace listing for a camera where they didn't even get the entire camera in the shot. The top third of the camera was cut off in both the front and back photos. The camera occupied only the top half of the frame, and the bottom half of the frame was just the empty table surface the camera was set on. They had even failed to capture the manufacturer's name on the prism, a detail I think would be noticeable enough to warrant framing that would include it in the shot. Why someone would think that photos of an item you're selling that fail to show the entire item would be sufficient is truly beyond me."
Mike replies: Years ago there was an eBay seller who I was absolutely convinced displayed pictures taken with intentional camera shake to cover up minor problems, dirt, and small irregularities on the surface of the item. Although most likely fraudulent, he also had at least a small point, as anyone who has done closeup photographs of objects knows—a camera that looks clean to the eye in person will suddenly be covered with dust and fingerprints in a high-res, well-lit shot.
Ed Hawco (partial comment): "I understand and agree with your point, but I think maybe there’s something you’re missing. Namely, that the person selling the camera might not be the owner of the camera. It might be the offspring or spouse of the camera owner, who has died or maybe taken off on a bender or a wild fling with a tarty waitress and this is the spouse’s revenge. Or it might be what most of us are thinking: the camera is stolen!"
David Brown: "One of my best photographs ever was made with a Brownie Starflash."
James Weekes: "Addressing the Holga issue. First a bit of history. I started using Dianas in the '70s and progressed to Holga when Dianas disappeared. Along with two other photographers, we figured out how to tape them, inside and out, to eliminate light leaks, which were and are 5% serendipity and 95% ruined shots. When I moved to digital I really missed my toy shots. A friend pointed out that there were Holga lenses available for Canon, Nikon and Micro 4/3 cameras. I have amassed some of these and use them all the time. Gone are all possible light leaks, but that wonderful look remains. The color is just as odd but just as 1950s looking. With all the tools available in Photoshop and DxO (I recreate 120TX) and a good inkjet or commercial printer, one can open even larger horizons. Of course, I shoot square. And, you can sort of see your focus in the viewfinder."
Mike Plews: "First, Iowa is a gift. Every serious photographer should see it. I recently took on scanning 300 photos my now 104-year-old mother-in-law took on the family farm during the late 1940s and early 1950s. She used an Ansco 620 and shot Verichrome pan.They were processed at the local drug store. The pictures are enchanting, priceless family treasures. They may become a blurb book for family members. Something about the meniscus lens on the Ansco and Verichrome pan, dreamy images from a lifestyle that is about gone. If I can find the time I may even take a few down to the darkroom."
James: "Michael Kenna uses a Holga. This is a great book. You can read an interview here where he talks about using Holgas."
David Comdico: "I used to turn my nose up at toy cameras but I have come to love them. They break down the photographic process to the basics. Nailing focus with a Holga or capturing a good diptych in-camera with an H35 is a pure joy."
I don't even think you have to be a particularly good photographer to take a decent product photo with an iPhone. A huge amount of the iPhone photo engine is for making food pictures look good ... and that's basically product shots.
Half a 🙂 because it's at least half true.
Posted by: psu | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 12:03 PM
Sometimes I wonder if the person who took the photo actually looked at it before posting it. Maybe they need to read that article on Luminous Landscape entitled, "How to stress a lens." :>)
Posted by: Dave | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 12:46 PM
If I understand it correctly, the IOWA photographs were made in Ohio?
[Many of them were. A few were made in other states IIRC. It's sort of an impressionalistic, symbolic portrait of an Iowa of the mind, if you will.
It's an interesting issue. I once did a project on the Eastern shore, and included a pictures that was taken in DC on the Potomac. I wrote a whole article about whether that sort of thing is kosher or not. I was not able to reliably find a lot of examples of bodies of work with "ringers" thrown in, although I've heard anecdotally of many. For example, pictures of mainly family that include a few of strangers. It's not acceptable in photojournalism, but is it in art? --
When I tell people that the movie "Groundhog Day" was filmed in Woodstock, Illinois, they sometimes get confused and say no, that was shot in Pennsylvania (the Groundhog ceremony takes place in Punxatawny). But Woodstock "played the part of" Punxatawney in the movie, so to speak. If an art photograph seems to fit in terms of feeling-tone it seems like most art photographers are okay with that. But I couldn't get reliable data on that either.
Mark L. Power once did a project in which he "documented" the life of a fictional character named Victor Carroll. He wrote the accompanying long captions as himself, talking about Victor as if he were a friend, and he himself posed as Victor in some of the photographs. So was it autobiography, partial autobiography, or fiction? --Mike]
Posted by: John Camp | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 12:56 PM
"I'd post the absurd example I ran across, in a auction for an OM-D E-M1 Mark II, but that would be mean. The illustrations seem to have been taken with a phone, remarkably incompetently."
It is possible the seller has never used the Olympus and has no interest in, or knowledge of, photography. Maybe the seller somehow obtained* a camera and wants to sell it online for a quick profit.
(*There are lots of possibilities, including: buying it cheap on Craigslist or from a garage/estate sale with plans to resell, receiving it as a gift or inheritance, selling stolen goods or from a pawn shop, etc.)
Posted by: Ken | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 01:34 PM
This week-end, my wife and I attended a silver wedding anniversary, and I was asked by the couple to "take some pictures" during the day. I just compiled a set of 57 pictures for them (culled from a total of 188), and my absolute favourite is the formal group shot, for which I used an Olympus 9mm "Body Cap" fish-eye lens. Who then cares that the rest of the pictures were taken with a Leica lens :-)
Posted by: Soeren Engelbrecht | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 01:48 PM
My pictures of stuff I sell are pretty bad, I admit. I just make sure I show that the item is in the condition it’s in, but I don’t go out of my way to create a well-lit photograph. That’s basically because I don’t care about those images, beyond showing potential buyers what the thing looks like. They still have to trust my rating to conclude that the item actually works.
Posted by: John | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 01:49 PM
Mike: I've always been of the opinion that a good photographic craftsperson can exercise deliberate control over any kind of camera. Is there any reason why pictures have to be sloppy because the photographer is using a phone?
I shoot with an antique iPhone whenever I don’t have a “real camera” with me and, at least for online display, with decent capture technique and reasonable post-processing, I don’t think there is any way to tell the difference except by examining the file’s metadata.
Posted by: Chris Kern | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 06:28 PM
Sorry but I really am not impressed by either of your examples of Toy camera photography.
However, try Michael Kenna's Holga book.
It's that good I nearly bought a Holga myself...
Posted by: Mark L | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 07:14 PM
Ed Hawco: "It might be the offspring or spouse of the camera owner, who has died or maybe taken off on a bender or a wild fling with a tarty waitress and this is the spouse’s revenge."
Every ebay camera shopper's dream: The little old lady (or Goodwill) who doesn't know what they have. But savvy sellers know our dream, so beware those fuzzy pictures!
Watch out for the "real" photographers, too. Never buy a pro's main axe--they've probably beat it to death. Do buy their backup axe, which they've maintained but seldom used.
Posted by: robert e | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 09:23 PM
The Japanese vendors usually show excellent product shots. US sellers often show dismal ones. It is as if they really do not care if it sells or not. I wish eBay would return to charging a minor fee for listing something. It might cut down on the frivolous listings by play sellers.
[There used to be a guy in Italy who sold collectible Leicas. He had the most gorgeous products shots. Very detailed, lots of images, well lit, well composed. Could have dropped them into a magazine. Can't recall his "handle" now. --Mike]
Posted by: BG | Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 11:43 PM
Okay, I'll say it—the joke is that it's no wonder that seller is offloading his OM-D E-M1 Mark II—doubtless it takes crappy pictures too.”
Boo!
[Whoa there hoss. Because he doesn't know how to use it, is all I meant. Y'all got that, right? No diss against the Oly. I owned one of the originals and they are fantastic cameras. --Mike]
Posted by: Robert Newcomb | Wednesday, 31 July 2024 at 01:56 AM
Your comment about dust etc is spot on. Ever tried photographing watches or jewellery?
Posted by: Richard Tugwell | Wednesday, 31 July 2024 at 03:55 AM
Okay, I'll say it—the joke is that it's no wonder that seller is offloading his OM-D E-M1 Mark II—doubtless it takes crappy pictures too.”
Boo!
[Whoa there hoss. Because he doesn't know how to use it, is all I meant. Y'all got that, right? No diss against the Oly. I owned one of the originals and they are fantastic cameras. --Mike]
OK, my bad, sorry about that.
Robert
Posted by: Robert Newcomb | Wednesday, 31 July 2024 at 11:34 AM
Why on earth anyone wants to mistreat a beautiful roll of film with a Holga is beyond me.
Posted by: s.wolters | Wednesday, 31 July 2024 at 11:44 AM
John- I get your product photos don't exactly inspire you, but... the better lit and composed they are, the faster the item(s) will sell, or the higher the price they'll garner if on auction.
Posted by: Stan B. | Wednesday, 31 July 2024 at 01:45 PM
As the saying goes, good sailors in poor ships are better than poor sailors in good ships.
Posted by: David Stubbs | Wednesday, 31 July 2024 at 07:30 PM
Mike Plew's comment indirectly gave me an inkling of an idea of something to give my semi-demented 93 year old mother to keep her busy with her restlessness: a camera. She used to like photography a lot in her early adult hood and still has a keen eye mostly employed to criticize each and everything she comes across.
Does anyone have an idea for a camera to give her given that she does not own or know smartphones and is used to the handling of firm cameras? (But no I don't want a film camera, because where would I get the films processed and printed?)
Posted by: Hendrik | Saturday, 03 August 2024 at 04:57 AM
I think the camera is irrelevant. I think an image is made by the person, not by the equipment. This much said, I believe very many good images have been made by photographers who know their cameras so well that they use them as if they were parts of their bodies. As extensions of the photographer's self. And, contrary to what one can read in many snobbish places, a smartphone can be as good a camera as a Hassey. All along the 'sailors' analogy quoted already above.
Posted by: nicholas | Saturday, 03 August 2024 at 08:35 PM