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Tuesday, 30 July 2024

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I don't even think you have to be a particularly good photographer to take a decent product photo with an iPhone. A huge amount of the iPhone photo engine is for making food pictures look good ... and that's basically product shots.

Half a 🙂 because it's at least half true.

Sometimes I wonder if the person who took the photo actually looked at it before posting it. Maybe they need to read that article on Luminous Landscape entitled, "How to stress a lens." :>)

If I understand it correctly, the IOWA photographs were made in Ohio?

[Many of them were. A few were made in other states IIRC. It's sort of an impressionalistic, symbolic portrait of an Iowa of the mind, if you will.

It's an interesting issue. I once did a project on the Eastern shore, and included a pictures that was taken in DC on the Potomac. I wrote a whole article about whether that sort of thing is kosher or not. I was not able to reliably find a lot of examples of bodies of work with "ringers" thrown in, although I've heard anecdotally of many. For example, pictures of mainly family that include a few of strangers. It's not acceptable in photojournalism, but is it in art? --

When I tell people that the movie "Groundhog Day" was filmed in Woodstock, Illinois, they sometimes get confused and say no, that was shot in Pennsylvania (the Groundhog ceremony takes place in Punxatawny). But Woodstock "played the part of" Punxatawney in the movie, so to speak. If an art photograph seems to fit in terms of feeling-tone it seems like most art photographers are okay with that. But I couldn't get reliable data on that either.

Mark L. Power once did a project in which he "documented" the life of a fictional character named Victor Carroll. He wrote the accompanying long captions as himself, talking about Victor as if he were a friend, and he himself posed as Victor in some of the photographs. So was it autobiography, partial autobiography, or fiction? --Mike]

"I'd post the absurd example I ran across, in a auction for an OM-D E-M1 Mark II, but that would be mean. The illustrations seem to have been taken with a phone, remarkably incompetently."

It is possible the seller has never used the Olympus and has no interest in, or knowledge of, photography. Maybe the seller somehow obtained* a camera and wants to sell it online for a quick profit.

(*There are lots of possibilities, including: buying it cheap on Craigslist or from a garage/estate sale with plans to resell, receiving it as a gift or inheritance, selling stolen goods or from a pawn shop, etc.)

This week-end, my wife and I attended a silver wedding anniversary, and I was asked by the couple to "take some pictures" during the day. I just compiled a set of 57 pictures for them (culled from a total of 188), and my absolute favourite is the formal group shot, for which I used an Olympus 9mm "Body Cap" fish-eye lens. Who then cares that the rest of the pictures were taken with a Leica lens :-)

My pictures of stuff I sell are pretty bad, I admit. I just make sure I show that the item is in the condition it’s in, but I don’t go out of my way to create a well-lit photograph. That’s basically because I don’t care about those images, beyond showing potential buyers what the thing looks like. They still have to trust my rating to conclude that the item actually works.

Mike: I've always been of the opinion that a good photographic craftsperson can exercise deliberate control over any kind of camera. Is there any reason why pictures have to be sloppy because the photographer is using a phone?

I shoot with an antique iPhone whenever I don’t have a “real camera” with me and, at least for online display, with decent capture technique and reasonable post-processing, I don’t think there is any way to tell the difference except by examining the file’s metadata.

Sorry but I really am not impressed by either of your examples of Toy camera photography.
However, try Michael Kenna's Holga book.
It's that good I nearly bought a Holga myself...

Ed Hawco: "It might be the offspring or spouse of the camera owner, who has died or maybe taken off on a bender or a wild fling with a tarty waitress and this is the spouse’s revenge."

Every ebay camera shopper's dream: The little old lady (or Goodwill) who doesn't know what they have. But savvy sellers know our dream, so beware those fuzzy pictures!

Watch out for the "real" photographers, too. Never buy a pro's main axe--they've probably beat it to death. Do buy their backup axe, which they've maintained but seldom used.

The Japanese vendors usually show excellent product shots. US sellers often show dismal ones. It is as if they really do not care if it sells or not. I wish eBay would return to charging a minor fee for listing something. It might cut down on the frivolous listings by play sellers.

[There used to be a guy in Italy who sold collectible Leicas. He had the most gorgeous products shots. Very detailed, lots of images, well lit, well composed. Could have dropped them into a magazine. Can't recall his "handle" now. --Mike]

Okay, I'll say it—the joke is that it's no wonder that seller is offloading his OM-D E-M1 Mark II—doubtless it takes crappy pictures too.”

Boo!

[Whoa there hoss. Because he doesn't know how to use it, is all I meant. Y'all got that, right? No diss against the Oly. I owned one of the originals and they are fantastic cameras. --Mike]

Your comment about dust etc is spot on. Ever tried photographing watches or jewellery?

Okay, I'll say it—the joke is that it's no wonder that seller is offloading his OM-D E-M1 Mark II—doubtless it takes crappy pictures too.”

Boo!

[Whoa there hoss. Because he doesn't know how to use it, is all I meant. Y'all got that, right? No diss against the Oly. I owned one of the originals and they are fantastic cameras. --Mike]
OK, my bad, sorry about that.
Robert

Why on earth anyone wants to mistreat a beautiful roll of film with a Holga is beyond me.

John- I get your product photos don't exactly inspire you, but... the better lit and composed they are, the faster the item(s) will sell, or the higher the price they'll garner if on auction.

As the saying goes, good sailors in poor ships are better than poor sailors in good ships.

Mike Plew's comment indirectly gave me an inkling of an idea of something to give my semi-demented 93 year old mother to keep her busy with her restlessness: a camera. She used to like photography a lot in her early adult hood and still has a keen eye mostly employed to criticize each and everything she comes across.

Does anyone have an idea for a camera to give her given that she does not own or know smartphones and is used to the handling of firm cameras? (But no I don't want a film camera, because where would I get the films processed and printed?)

I think the camera is irrelevant. I think an image is made by the person, not by the equipment. This much said, I believe very many good images have been made by photographers who know their cameras so well that they use them as if they were parts of their bodies. As extensions of the photographer's self. And, contrary to what one can read in many snobbish places, a smartphone can be as good a camera as a Hassey. All along the 'sailors' analogy quoted already above.

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