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You are right, the whole thing is really dumb. And it leads to inevitable "what-about" questions, like how come we have no photos of or by Native Americans? What about the Summer of Love? Elvis? Or the George Floyd murder and protests (Getty images has 62,000 photos of that to choose from alone)? Covid? You can go on and on.

It was nice to see a Cindy Sherman in there, the hard part of that choice is choosing which one.

These type of lists never satisfy everyone. Whether it this, or Rolling Stone magazine naming the most important albums or best guitarists, someone is always going to be P.O.ed about some inclusion or one that didn't make the cut, all based on someone's opinion.

I know what photos that I think are special based on my life experiences, and I wouldn't expect those to match anyone else's.

Yikes! These are mostly awful choices! Including Friedlander is essential, but this image! I would have gone for one of his Little Screens. Where is Arbus' hand grenade boy or 'Young Man with Curlers'. Or Gary Winogrand's mixed racial couple with monkeys. I have never seen many of these choices, which is fine if they were actually compelling or even interesting photographs.

Your critique got me to click on the link to the T article. What struck me looking at the opening photo of the panel sitting around the table is Roxana Marcoci's sock. For me, that's the hidden agenda of the list.

[It says "Sock Off," doesn't it? Presumably the other one says "Sock On"? --Mike]

What! No spaghetti alle vongole? Ridiculous!

But thanks for attending on the NYT magazine "T".
Even as an online subscriber I didn't know it existed.

Lists are never easy. However, nothing from Africa? Have I got that right? Plenty of other omissions but I'll leave it there.

Prioritizing Political Correctness in Art & Culture = Works Selected Based on Ideology and Not Merit. Welcome to the New Norm.

And what is wrong with giving all children trophies simply for trying?
I keep my mouth shut and make art for myself.

All very parochial. I'd have been tempted to include Koudelka's Prague invasion watch photo, and Vargas's picture of Allende in front of the Presidential Palace in Santiago, for starters. Something about the environment would surely have been appropriate too.

Having seen previous "25 Most…" efforts by T Magazine, my expectations for "25 Photos…" were low from the start. I'd say that they slightly exceeded my expectations, but the bar really was set low.

It's interesting to contrast the Times' selections with "Fragile Beauty", a selection of contemporary photographs (1950 and later) from the collection of Elton John and David Furnish, which I saw a couple weeks ago at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London. I felt that Fragile Beauty represented photography since 1950 much more comprehensively, although in fairness the show had a couple advantages over what the Times was doing.

First, the number of photographs was much higher. The exhibition catalog says that it includes 150 photographs, but it felt like more than that as I went through the work. This allowed a lot more diversity in subjects than the Times selection, grouped into a number of themes - Fashion; Stars of Stage, Screen and Studio; Desire; Reportage; The American Scene; Fragile Beauty; Constructed Images; and Towards Abstraction.

And second, Fragile Beauty is a selection of photographs from a collection of 7000 images, driven largely by Elton John and David Furnish. Certainly others were involved in creating the exhibition, but, compared with the Times' effort, there may have been less diversity of opinion that had to be accommodated when assembling the show.

If you're in London while the show is at the V&A (through January 5, 2025), it is well worth a visit. Otherwise, the exhibition catalogue appears to be very good quality, and will be available through Amazon US in July.

(BTW, Kirk posted a link last week on his website for a CNN article regarding the V&A show - https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/29/style/fragile-beauty-elton-john-photography/index.html )

More meaningful than yet another silly 25-you-name-its-that-defined-the-modern-age compilation was the panel’s decision to conflate journalistic and “fine art” photography:

“We chose judges from the realms of both fine art and reportage because, increasingly, the line between the two has collapsed. The modern age has been defined by photographs — images that began their lives in newspapers or magazines are repurposed as art; art has become a vehicle for information. Therefore, it was important to us and our jurors that we not draw boundaries between what was created as journalism and what was created as art. What was important was that the photographs we chose changed, in some way, how we see the world.”

The Times, along with a few other major general-circulation publications, has taken the place of the glossy mid-century magazines that reported the news in photographs—sometimes striking and visually memorable ones, but in any event pictures that provided an instantly understandable snapshot (pardon the obvious metaphor) of what was happening in the United States and many other parts of the world.

Newsprint is a poor medium for representing the attributes of a great photograph, but fortunately all these news media have websites where their contributers’ work can be propertly displayed.

Agree with your analysis. A disappointing collection indeed.

Your post worked - I can't even be bothered to look. :-)

The Times? I walked away from them after they put up their paywall, as I do every place that does that. Oh, I think I could use a fake name and email to avoid the deluge of spam (and from past experience they will sell your name and create lots of it) to see this article, but I won't. Because in this instance the problem is far, far, worse than a mere paywall. The Times isn't relevant.

Good to see Susan Meiselas still involved in photography. I remember her work from Nicaragua.

Two images stood out for me: Gordon Parks, “Department Store, Mobile, Alabama,” 1956, and the incarcerated girl from “Photographs From S-21: 1975-1979” collection. The stillness in both images subverts our expectations of drama in change.

half of the images should have been by Avedon. He pretty much single handedly ushered in the modern age of photography.

Oops! I forgot. All the serious academes and trad-fine art lovers get triggered whenever someone mentions Avedon. Ah well.

I am preparing myself to be pilloried yet again.

I don’t know many of the photographers, but that’s not the point. Anyone with a camera is capable - i.e., has the capability - of taking an unforgettable image; they just have to be there and to see it.

More importantly, can a photo “define the modern age”? A photo can illustrate it, certainly, but “define” it? Surely, it is events and trends that define an age? For example, a) the industrialisation of China (and then a number of other countries), with the consequent massive decline in manufacturing elsewhere; b) technology - communications tech, media; c) globalisation; and d) the rise of fundamentalism in a variety of faiths. (I remember my astonishment when I first encountered the phrase “a militant Buddhist”). Photos of all of these would portray the world-wide modern age rather better than most of the 25 chosen. IMHO, of course….

The pickers are busy people.

So they made indolent choices.

Just be glad there were no footballers.

Thanks for pointing this out to us; very interesting. Leaving Robert Mapplethorpe out was the big miss in my opinion.

Gee, if you want to define the *modern* age, they should all be selfies!

As a white haired and bearded old hippie who obsesses about different kinds of cameras, I nominate the album cover photo of "The Freewheeling' Bob Dylan" by Don Hunstein.
That is the image of my generation's coming of age.

What impresses me the most in the selection is not so much its rather limited perspective, I guess that is unavoidable in today cultural context on such a mainstream media outlet. It is rather the absolute dominance of a moralistic perspective on the society, and the absolute absence of an economic interpretation of, for instance, racial struggle in the US. I would tend to say this is the sign of the abdication of rationality, but maybe I am too much of a materialist extremist.

Haven't read/seen the article yet, and what your describing sounds a lot like just how off-base the NYT has been lately. Its like they try these hot takes to justify being inclusive and in reality they're actual losing credibility. If it wasn't for their great photography, the cooking section, the Sunday crossword puzzle, some of their International reporting, and the physical pleasure of reading/folding newsprint on Sunday mornings I'd cancel my subscription.

The Tiananmen Square photo was taken June 5th, 1989. 35 years to the day you shared this Times article.

I tend to agree with Andrea's comment. What defines the modern era? I would say the economic factors have a huge impact, and they were not highlighted at all in the collection. The rise of China's industry, the formation of the EU, and the collapse of the Soviet Union were not explored at all, and it's these things which have created the world in which we live right now. I'm not saying the social factors they did include are not important, but we're talking about what defines our modern era.

The selection was sorta...mmm...not there, but it's the concept that was really dumb. And if they were going to do it despite the dumbness, it should have been titled "Modern Age in the U.S." Best shot of the bunch, IMHO, was the Gordon Parks.

An impossible task based on the title alone. Fraught with bias that would likely change on any given day. Good photographs nonetheless.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who was shocked how narrowly focused these choices are on the US perspective of the world. Even the intellectuals seem to have large blinders on…

Mike,

Regarding your comment on my "sock" comment: not sure if you're being sarcastic, but zoom into her sock; it says "f*ck off".

[Hmm. I had to open it in Chrome to zoom in on it. Appears you are correct. That seems inappropriate and a questionable choice. She's representing her Museum, in an international newspaper! --Mike]

What defines things most is the paywall that hides the images.

Eric

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