Just wanted to mention, apropos the previous conversation, that it looks like Pentax is taking into account the desires of younger people in designing its Film Project—and I think that's a good thing.
I'm "Generation Jones," beginning to age out (just passed retirement age, just started taking Social Security)—I bought numerous film cameras new, and was even formally trained in how to be a still film photographer. I had been photographing for years by the time digital became a gleam in Steve Sasson's eye.
I do think that the first all-new premium film camera following the digital transition will be news—big news—as the vast hoard of left-over film cameras grows ever more antique and fragile, and the people able to service them leave the field or enter age-appropriate retirement. Film Leicas, an appropriate and fortunate survivor, are certainly premium, but have design roots going back to the 1950s and are hardly all-new. It has to happen sometime, given that film photography in enjoying a modest resurgence. So the first such camera to appear will almost automatically be a landmark.
But it's not me and the likes of me who need to be satisfied; it's Gen Z and Millennials whom Pentax ought to be listening to, and whose wants, desires, and concerns should to be served. That's as it should be; it's a good thing.
Truth be told, if "my ship comes in," as they say, I would build a little house with a darkroom in the basement and take up film photography again. I honestly would. But that's unlikely to happen, and unless it does I won't be buying any film camera Pentax cooks up anyway. So I'm not the target market, either—not if they're smart.
So it's as it should be. "And all shall be well. And all shall be well. And all manner of things shall be exceeding well*." —Mother Julian of Norwich
Mike
*I know the quote from T.S. Eliot's "Little Gidding," the last of the Four Quartets:
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flames are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.
Little Gidding, by the bye, is a town in Cambridgeshire in the East of England. I have roots there if you go back far enough—I'm descended from the Ferrars and Colletts of Little Gidding through John Collett (or Collet, ) of Bourne, Cambridgeshire, and Little Gidding, 1572–1659, and his wife Susana née Ferrar (also spelled Farrer and Farrar—note the plaque below). And an ancestor of his was Lord Mayor of London not once but twice, in 1486 and 1495. My grandfather was the last John Collett in our line. My great-grandfather John D. Collett got the birthdate wrong in his privately printed book The Genealogy of the descendants of John Collett Born 1578 [oops!], Died March 29th 1659 of Little Gidding and London, England and United States of America. I have of a copy of that now exceedingly and perhaps deservedly rare book around here somewhere, stuffed with notes and clippings from my great-grandfather's further genealogical researches post-publication. I also have a dye-transfer print made from a Kodachrome slide of John D. Collett by his son, exposed in a Zeiss camera my grandfather brought home from Europe in the 1950s; he would have traversed the ocean on one of the great liners, something he and my grandmother did many times. I have the camera too, and ran a roll of film through it once. The lens was very sharp in the middle but fell off in quality away from the optical axis. If you must know. :-)
The little church that so inspired Eliot still stands in Cambridgeshire. Here's my many-times great-grandmother's plaque on the wall there, with an account of her formidable brood:
"Here also sleepeth Susana, wife to John Collet Esq by whom she had issue 8 sonnes & 8 daughters. She was ye only daughter of Mr Nicholas Farrar of London Merchant & sister to John Farrer Esq late Ld of this manor who died ye 9th Oct 1657 aged 76 years."
I don't know the name of the photographer. I got the information from the Church's website.
Hmm, I think I just wrote a second, unrelated post as a footnote! About olden people, in a post about young people. Oh well, such is blogging. Seinfeld "Newman" voice: Blogging!
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William Lewis: "Ah, probably a Tessar on the old Zeiss camera then. That's the signature look for them—knife sharp in the center, smoothing out to, at their best, a buttery look on the edges. I love a good Tessar lens and have a number of them in different formats for different cameras."
Mike replies: Then you'll appreciate this. I have a Tessar cross-section (also called a block diagram) on my business card. :-)
John C: "I'm going to make a prediction and say that the first of the new Pentax film cameras is going to look a lot like the digital MX-1. I think It will be similar in size and have similar lines. It will be a fixed lens compact with a prime lens somewhere between 28mm and 35mm. Most likely 28mm. Not an SLR, not through the lens viewing, so a viewfinder compact. Scale focus or autofocus with premium optics both in the viewfinder and the objective. It may be aimed more at the Japanese market which would appreciate such a camera more than the US market. It think it will be a camera that Daido Moriyama would use.
"A couple of other posters have mentioned the difficulties of sourcing gears and machinists and the like (mechanisms in a digital electronic world), so I think this will be a step in a incremental development project. We'll see."
ian scholey: "Little Gidding is just 10 miles from where I live in Cambridgeshire. I have a few images of the Church after I visited, inspired by an artist who lives close by—Carry Akroyd. Her painting of the church can be found here."
I'd say the two halves of this post are in a somewhat apt juxtaposition. I was surprised by the claim in one of the Pentax film project videos that Pentax's current engineers couldn't fully understand the workings of the company's old mechanical film advance mechanisms from studying blueprints and cameras, and needed help from retired colleagues.
Yes, I think most, though not all, of this blog's readers will be disappointed with Pentax's first issues from this project. For me, it would depend a lot on the lens. Lots of pros liked and used the Olympus Epic and its ilk for personal use. And in the used fleet, these types of cameras are the ones that have aged and broken down the most; more quickly than the older metal mechanical marvels, I think, leaving a gap at the entry level.
Again, though, Pentax seems interested in the higher levels too. It's just that they've decided to start with a focus on accessibility and growing the market. Seems sensible to me, too.
Posted by: robert e | Thursday, 21 December 2023 at 04:14 PM
A short discussion of the word ‘ye’. It’s likely that the people of 16th and 17th century England would have spoken that as ‘the’. The word was originally spelt with a now-vanished letter, called ‘thorn’, which equated to our modern ‘th’. Apparently during the later Middle Ages it started to be written rather like ‘y’, and when printing came along the printers simply used y instead of thorn. Most probably their readers would have read it as thorn, and thus pronounced the word ‘the’.
In more recent centuries ye has become an example of falsely antique English - lots of pubs have ‘ye’ in their name, e.g. Ye Olde Gibbet (I made that one up).
There’s a good Wikipedia article about it.
Posted by: Tom Burke | Thursday, 21 December 2023 at 05:44 PM
It isn't common at all to see wood panelled churches, so I'll take a ride out to Little Gidding in the spring; it's not much more than 40 miles away.
There's quite a cluster of churches in that area, and if Little Gidding church is closed, St James the Great at Thurning, under three miles away as the crow flies, looks interesting.
Posted by: Roger Bradbury | Thursday, 21 December 2023 at 05:52 PM
"I would build a little house with a darkroom in the basement and take up film photography again. I honestly would."
Hopefully this is not a brutal comment, but I think this is just nostalgia speaking.
There is no perfect camera situation in wait for ANY of us. It certainly isn't lurking beyond the far horizon of what we don't have.
I firmly believe that picking up the camera you have (in your case, a wonderful looking black and white Frankencamera)and using it would be a beautiful solution to all your photographic needs.
Cheers.
[Well, I wouldn't be giving that up. :-) --Mike]
Posted by: alan sailer | Thursday, 21 December 2023 at 07:48 PM
Funny how people still travel on large ocean liners today, only now they go round in circles for fun. I wonder how many photos are taken on phones during one of those cruises.
Posted by: Robert Roaldi | Thursday, 21 December 2023 at 09:11 PM
I was sorting and moving gear among office cabinets this afternoon and came across a fully-functioning K1000. It is a classic gem, perhaps even iconic. Even the shutter speeds sound about right although I won't have a chance to test them for a few days.
Regarding appeal to younger generations, perhaps one simple initial approach would be to dust off the K1000 fabrication line, if it still exists, and make a few modernizations, such as using current batteries, tighter tolerances and more rugged internal metals, a faster top shutter speed, and a choice between center-weighted and spot metering.
Really, very little else is needed; adding more would distract from its classic minimalism. It's already just right, like a haiku or good Japanese calligraphy.
Using a minimalist approach might make it affordable to students. The upper-crust could be accommodated by redesigning the LX, perhaps with some direct-from-factory brassing of top and bottom plates and a discreet red dot with a stylized P inside.
Posted by: Joe Kashi | Friday, 22 December 2023 at 12:21 AM
Xers and Millenials aren't even young people anymore. The oldest millenials are 43 this year, Xers are even older. If you look at management books, they are all about how to deal with with Gen Z.
I honestly don't see why a new "premium" film camera today is "big news." Pentax isn't going to out-Leica Leica, so it doesn't work as a Veblen good. And if you are looking for a practical film camera to indulge your nostalgia, why not an $89 K1000? Or a Mamiya 6 for $1375? (Current quoted price at KEH).
Posted by: James | Friday, 22 December 2023 at 10:57 AM
Mother Julian's quote: "But it's not me and the likes of me who need to be satisfied; it's Gen Z and Millennials whom Pentax ought to be listening to, and whose wants, desires, and concerns should to be served" is right on target. This is where the product will succeed, not with us older folks who probably still have a few film cameras hanging around. I shoot almost exclusively digital these days, but for fun I sometimes take out film cameras. My favorite is a Tenax II with a Tessar lens and am currently rebuilding a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta IV, also with the Tessar. My Frankenkamera is a salvaged Linhof Technika 70 from which I pulled the broken RF/VF (for parts) to use as a mini view camera with B&W sheet film, color roll film, or a digital back. With digital I have checked out a few classic lenses - Dagor, Protar, Plasmat, Tessar. You might not believe how sharp theses lenses are, and with photoshop, contrast can be manipulated as desired. Much Fun!
Posted by: Rick in CO | Friday, 22 December 2023 at 11:39 AM
Using a film camera without having a darkroom seems useless to me. During the late nineties, I did very little photography and was dependent on consumer film processing labs. Yesterday I was going through a box of those prints, and most of them, save for baby photos, went into the trash. They looked horrible, with extreme contrast ranges and little detail. I enjoyed the shooting, but I was estranged from the final project. It was digital that drew me back into photography. I could shoot many more photos and personally manage each step of the process.
Whatever kind of film camera Pentax comes up with, they need something else, something I can't quite conceive of now. A darkroom substitute that's easy (but not too easy), affordable and convenient. I'm thinking of a black box that prints or digitizes the negatives. A film-to-digital workflow makes little sense to me, but many modern things are beyond my understanding. Maybe Japan has a robust, fast and convenient film processing network, but if that's what they rely on, the Pentax film camera may be little seen and used in the USA. Or will Pentax go whole hog and start manufacturing enlargers, which is where film photography really blossoms into a hands-on experience?
[I agree John--I would never shoot film without doing darkroom too, although many people do and that's fine. What I would do (if I shot film, which I don't) would be to shoot 35mm B&W then make 8x10 prints on Ilford Warmtone RC and then scan those on a flatbed Epson scanner. That's how I'd digitize the pictures. I'd never do negative scanning. Again, no criticism implied of those who do. --Mike]
Posted by: John McMillin | Friday, 22 December 2023 at 12:58 PM