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Thursday, 05 June 2025

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I join all the others who reacted with guffaws, and those who hope you will soon be over your hump. I wish I were in the Finger Lakes so you could beat me in a game of pool.

That’s fun… from now on, I’m going to use haiku to describe my lenses…

Hi.

I just had delivered, two days ago, a TTArtisan 50mm F1.4 ASPH. It’s basically a copy of the Leica Summilux 50mm F1.4 ASPH.

I bought it used (approx. US$263), but even if brand new (here in Japan), it would be around a whopping US$4312 cheaper than the average *used* Leica version here.

New vs. new, they’re US$4641 cheaper.

Don’t know if you know this, but the Chinese M mount lenses (from TTArtisan & 7Artisan*) are not rangefinder adjusted straight out of the box. They come with a wee chart and a tiny screwdriver, and you have to fine tune them yourselves. It’s a trip.

Incidentally, this “shy rose” nature of Chinese branding / company naming seems to be a thing in other spheres of interest. In the world of cheap guitar effect pedals, two of the now fairly famous early Chinese brands *seem* to be related in that the owners of each are married. I have a tremolo pedal (itself a copy of a famous US design) from one of these brands that came with the instruction manual for the other brand’s equivalent model.

Peace,
Dean
* my 7Artisan 75mm f1.25 vs. the Leica version was approx US$14,300 cheaper…

Well, I have a 35mm Summicron-M, v4 and have never really thought about how it rendered, because it’s the only 35mm M mount lens I own. I bought it used in 1984, if I recall, trading a 35mm f3.5 Summaron for it, along with what, for me, was a good deal of cash, because I was shooting photos of bands in performance and (thought I) needed another stop and a half of lens speed. I have never considered it as the “king” of anything. It’s simply the best 35mm M mount lens I’ve had, because it’s the only one. Now that my eyes are aging (I’d used the Summaron I’d traded since 1968, when I was using it on an M2), I’m considering whether it’s time to get something with autofocus. Now I’m informed that it’s special! Something to be emulated–“sharp as a tiger.” Alas, I know that any lens I get in the future will only produce inferior images with “busy,” unpleasant bokeh. Sic Gloria transit mundi.

It is a very pretty lens. The lens is very pretty, is what I mean.

I bought my first Leica M, a like-new "demonstrator" M6, sometime around the turn of the century. The lens to go with it, the 35mm "plain" Summicron was also almost a give-away compared to today's prices. The lens was especially low priced because people traded them in for the then new "ASPH" 35mm.

Having no other lens, I waited a few weeks before unmounting the lens. That operation did not go too well. I was left with the front part of the lens in one hand and the rest attached to the camera. I had bought both camera and lens from an authorized Leica dealer who was not at all surprised when I arrived with the parts. "That happens" he said, "I can repair it, you can wait here". He climbed the stairs to his work shop and was back with the lens in one piece half an hour later. I guess it had taken him half a minute, the rest was show. When it happened again, I bought a 35 Summicron ASPH.

And yes, the flakes of black paint from the aperture blades on the inner lens surfaces are familiar to me too, just can't remeber what lens it was.

When people rave excessively about their M rangefinder I ask them if I can look through it and I then focus on something really distant like a church tower. If you know Leicas, you know what I freuqently recommend in that situation . .

Speaking of copies of originals, how about an improved copy of the classic Zeiss 50mm f2 Sonnar that incorporates a floating element to correct the focus shift that has dogged Sonnars since they first appeared?

https://omnarlenses.com/omnar-bertele-5cm-f-2-mc-flb/

I bought one of these Type VI Bokeh Summicrons around 2000. It was discontinued, and a store in Frankfurt (?) sent it to me at reasonable price. I like it a lot. But when checking old negatives, I think I like the look of negatives/slides from my older 3.5 35mm Summaron. This was a klunker where the internal coating was stripped to clean off fungus. But that was never an issue.

One of my earliest experiences with internet forums and “the mob” came in the mid 90’s when I made the mistake of posting to the Leica User Group that I didn’t think my Summicron 35 was all that great at f2-2.8.

I was soundly bashed by the good and great on that forum, but was surprisingly defended by none other than Erwin Puts, who chimed into agree with my assessment.

I don’t pretend to understand the mass nostalgia movement in photography that values old and poorer performing things to new and better. Perhaps if every shot still cost money we wouldn’t be as enthusiastic about lens flare and “glow”.

For a definitive answer on *any* question about "Chinese"*, you can ask Victor Mair and the other mavens at Language Log.

https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/

I assume you mean Mandarin, but there are a *lot* of topolects.

Nicely written!

Oops, sorry, correction: I meant Type IV Bokeh Summicron in my comment above.

One factor I haven't seen addressed in ages is mechanical design quality.

Modern Photography (likely Arthur Kramer) did a comparative teardown of a Leica lens and a third party lens of the same FL/aperture.

The difference was just striking! The Leica lens was elegant, with very few parts. The third party lens looked as though Rube Goldberg had a part in the design.

No question which would operate properly over years of use and/or abuse.
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I've never owned or used a Leica lens. I deeply disliked rangefinders, putting up with the Olympus XA for it's other qualities.

My menagerie of old lenses, with adapters to Sony, does include one LTM lens. It's a 1956 release Canon 50/1.2. It does indeed do all those optically imperfect things at wide apertures that some folks treasure.
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I also have a TTartisan 100/22.8. It manages to equal, if not beat, the original Meyer-Optik Görlitz 100mm f/2.8 Trioplan at bubble bokeh and portrait glow for very few $, with new, smoothly operating parts.

I’ve played a bit with some of the TTArtisan lenses in both Fuji’s X-Mount and the m4/3 mount. For the price, they’re surprisingly good and well-built, but definitely full of “quirks”. You wouldn’t be doing high-end landscape work with them, certainly.

The one Chinese manufacturer I’m really interested in is Light Lens Lab; they’ve been doing high-end clones of near-unobtainable legendary lenses for a while now, and some of them look very nice. I’ve not bought one yet; I’m still waiting on the rumoured LTM version of one of the Speed Panchro clones. But it’s tempting.

FWIW...

I gotta admit... When I first got my V4 35 'Cron, before I heard the word "bokeh" (this was in the early 1990's) the first thing I noticed on the first frame of TMax caused me to say "gee... the out-of-focus stuff looks really nice."

However, it should be stated that I was coming from having used a QL17 for my daily driver for a few years before that.

The corners never quite get there (not an issue for me) but there's NO distortion I can see at any distance. I've measured the focus shift and compensate when necessary.

It's tiny and focusses to .7M.

This having been said, every time I go out with my M10-P I pick the 2nd version Minolta 40mm f/2 if only taking one or two lenses.

Stopped down the 8-element proves to be better.

It now just sits in the closet with my M6 pretty much all the time.

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