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Monday, 07 April 2025

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Thirteen ingredients? Ouch!

The first thing I check when looking at a new recipe is if I would have to buy any ingredients that I would not completely finish in a reasonable time, i.e., well before the "best by" date. I hate throwing food away.

People writing recipes for publication have to include exotic ingredients if they are to have any chance of getting past the editor or publisher. I prefer to do an online search for "5-ingredient recipes."

True about the salad, but what candy do you mourn?

For healthy living, this professor is worth reading (includes recipes).

https://tim-spector.co.uk

NB: I also struggle cooking Keen-wah. Wretched stuff. I prefer Freekeh.

This post is deep into grumpy old guy territory.

"Toasted pecans" is where (and ditto for other nuts) you toast the pecans! You can either do this in a (dry) frying pan on the hob or in the oven. It just brings out a bit more flavour.

Sounds like a recipe for making life feel longer

As someone who prepares/eats for one, I have The Twenty Minute Rule. If it takes more than about 20 minutes to go from deciding to make it to eating it, it is not done. The 20 minutes can be spread out over time, as when cooking a pot of soup that needs to be checked and stirred for 2-3 minutes every hour.

Just don't forget how long it took you to develop your very first roll of film, and what the results were like..

I would use feta (or goat cheese) instead of cheddar...

One of my favorite SB time savers is to buy a rotisserie chicken at the grocery store, shred the meat and then store it in a plastic bag for use in tacos, burritos, chicken/rice, BBQ chicken sandwiches, chicken salad, etc. You mentioned your favorite old candy at the end of the post and I recently found Necco Wafers in the candy rack at the grocery store. When I checked Wikipedia I learned that Necco Wafers were introduced in 1847, they are the oldest American candy brand still in production, they were carried by Union soldiers in the Civil War and the purple ones are clove flavored.

I have it on good authority that "quinoa" is the Sanskrit word for "tastes like cardboard."

Mike, you poor soul. Could it be that you just don't LIKE to cook?

I have a sister-in-law who doesn't like to cook. She is baffled and befuddled by my saying, Well, I just eyeball it, or, You develop a feel for just how much, etc. Her husband does the cooking.

You've mastered darkroom work, have a keen interest in cars, seem to be somewhat of an audiophile. And you review cameras, and understand what they're doing. All of these require a certain grasp of complexity. But that's okay. You LIKE these things, so you put in the effort to understand and work with them. You have the innate capability. So, if you don't like cooking, well ... there you are.

Have you ever read Will Cuppy's _How To Be A Hermit: or, a Bachelor Keeps House_? I think you would find it enjoyable. Not _useful_, necessarily, but enjoyable.

If you google the title, it's available for free on Gutenberg Australia, but for some reason not on the US Gutenberg site. Or I can send you the link.

Cuppy is one of my favorite humorists. Sometimes I go off and start quoting extensive sections of _The Decline And Fall Of Practically Everybody_.

"...everything you find that you like will one day abruptly vanish forever, leaving you adrift and rudderless."

Man - exceptional, even for your very high level of articulation and perception!

Jamie Olivers 30 minute meals.

I'm amazing in the kitchen. A fact, not hubris. False modesty is without value.

But even if I am utterly prepared, with the occasional set of extra (wife) hands, my standing best is 38 minutes for one of Jamies 30 minute meals.

That 38 minute meal was delicious, with wonderfully balanced flavours and textures and could have been served to anyone, anywhere and been a hit. But after those nerve wracking 38 minutes, I needed another 30 minutes just to collect myself and be calm enough to actually enjoy eating the meal.

And the DVD (I know, how quaint a DVD is) has different directions to the written recipe that comes with the DVD set. Because well of course it does.

Bon Appétit!

Oh my! I've been the cook for various folks for ovr 50 years, from one, me, to five people, including kids.

If I try something, think it should be good, but, meh, I make up my version. Several things I make regularly are of my own creation, or riffs on someone else's.

I just had an epiphany the other day. My wife loves Marcella Hazen's red sauce for pasta:

1 can peeled tomatoes (San Marzano preferred)
1 medium onion, halved
1 stick butter
Simmer for about 45 minutes.
Remove, discard onion.

I've never liked it as much as she does. My epiphany? It's too easy! I prefer red clam sauce, more ingredients, more steps (More flavor) and other alternatives.

Does this at least partially make up for my distaste for wet film/paper chemistry?

I think the main reason I still pay for the NYT is their cooking section. My recipe box there is full of many nice things and I love cooking them. Spending two hours in the kitchen, listening to music and having a glass of wine is almost as good as reading the comments of the people that changed a good part of the ingredients for others and modified the cooking times and then complained that the end result was not good at all.

I have difficulties digesting raw vegetables- I often simply boil the kettle and pour over and let sit. The reason recipes use ice water after par boiling is that it preserves colour and slightly more ‘snap’ or texture. Although I might use ice if I’m cooking for guests, the difference is not important enough for me for my own meals. The real point is that if the water is hot enough to cook when you pour it on, it ceases to do so as it cools…

I suspect you just don’t care enough about flavour or texture to ever be a decent cook - there is almost no pre-packaged meal I will eat- I’d rather go hungry and sometimes do…. My father was like you- it took him 80 odd years to learn 6 dishes he did well - 2 for breakfast, 2 for lunch and 2 for dinner. But since he didn’t care, and they were healthy meals, it didn’t matter.

I suggest, if you can find it, "The Impoverished Students' Book of Cookery, Drinkery and House Keepery," Jay F. Rosenberg. It's aimed at those with minimal cooking skills and starts more or less at the beginning. Its focus is on eating cheaply, though, instead of getting balanced nutrition. Also, it's out of date (my edition 1971).

Your past musings on nutrition and your willingness to drive miles for a snack primed me. So, like rushing through a meal, I wasn’t very mindful.


My bad.

I have found a couple of you tube cooking channels that don’t have those bazillion little containers, and often have very straight forward recipes. One is spainonafork (particularly like the Spanish Red Bean and Sausage Stew and The Ultimate Breakfast Skillet with Roasted Potatoes and Eggs - which we have for dinner) and the other is Brian Lagerstrom (got me into baking bread)

The wonder of Italian cooking is the shortness of the ingredient list in most of their recipes. They let the veggies or meat do most of the talking.

I marvel at how people like to complicate eating and cooking.

A few notes that turned into a long rumination.

There have been a few recent cookbooks that concentrate on _technique_ rather than _recipe_ much like good darkroom books concentrate on technique and process rather than a rote combination of steps to take blank film to pictures.

One such was "Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat" which ultimately gives in and gives you recipes for things. Another was Julia Child's last book, "A Way To Cook", which is broken up into many different categories, with master techniques for each kind of food.

For me, Chinese Food has always been organized this way, which is nice because you only have to learn one "recipe" for a wide range of dishes... which is why those Chinese takeout menus always have hundreds of dishes on them.

I think people who like cooking and cook a lot inherently get into a state where they don't really need recipes for most things, and also have most of the ingredients they use a lot on hand and don't need to worry about the cost/waste of obtaining them just to cook one thing.

I think the hardest thing for cooks to understand is that people who don't cook don't end up in this kind of state. And the hardest thing for people who don't cook to understand is that when people who cook say something like "oh that's an easy dish you just X, Y, Z, W" there are a lot of assumptions in there about the state of your world that the cook is making and might not be true.

For me most recipes are too complicated and fussy because they are trying to ride a line between the enthusiasts and the not interested/beginner and so tend to have too much information for the former group and not enough for the latter, while also giving everyone too much work to do and too many ingredients to buy. Almost everything in the NYT is this way in my experience.

Ultimately, really, the secret to getting good at cooking is the following very unsatisfying piece of advice: you have to cook a lot. Then you'll get good at it. But that's hardly helpful for people without the interest.

I have occasionally been guilty of unfairly making fun of people who don't like to cook for not liking to cook and complaining about recipes. It's one life regret that I have. I should have known better.

Also random notes from skimming the comments: Peruvian food knows how to make quinoa delicious. Interestingly there is also a fantastic genre of Peruvian/Chinese crossover food that is incredible.

Parboil just means to drop the thing in boiling water for a small amount of time so that it soaks a bit of the water in but doesn't actually cook. IMHO vegetables taste better this way than raw or overcooked. A lot of Chinese vegetable dishes are really just lightly steamed/parboiled. That's why they are better than both raw vegetables (salad) and other vegetable dishes that cook the vegetables to death.

Take heart from Edward Lear's recipe for Amblongus pie, which ends "Serve up in a clean dish, and throw the whole out of the window as fast as possible."

I remember another Lear recipe that involved setting fire to a shag and burying it, digging it and throwing it away - but the interweb cannot find it.

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The ice in the water for stopping the cooking of the broccoli might, possibly, be important in Florida or Arizona. Not in MN, where the cold water comes out of the tap fairly cold (45-50F). It's probably roughly the same where you are (it gets cold enough at some times of year that the outside feed pipes have to be buried about 6 feet under to make sure they never freeze, which means the water is about the same temp all year).

[I've a bad memory for numbers, but I believe the pipes in Chicago are 15 feet down. The reason I remember is that during an epic deep-freeze in Chicago, with many days in a row reaching –15°F or lower, the radio reported every day how close the freeze was getting to the pipes. I think the ground froze to 11 feet before relief arrived. --Mike]

I watched a friend learn to cook, in particular, from The impoverished students' book of cookery, drinkery, & housekeepery (which is still available on Amazon, looks like). (And ate the meals along the way.)

It had the right level of instructions for him. Following the book, he made a successful souffle, which is not completely trivial.

The complexity level tended towards the low end (despite the example I gave).

Dunno if you would find it either useful or interesting, but seems worth mentioning in general.

"I still mourn the discontinuation of my favorite-ever candy 30 years ago"

I notice lots of places now sell "retro candy", by which they mean both older candies still being made and generic recreations of discontinued ones. Google "retro candy" or "vintage candy" if curious.

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