A comment from a few days ago. I don't know how valuable Pete's insight might be to cooks, but it was enlightening for me as a non-cook.
psu: "A few notes that turned into a long rumination.
"There have been a few recent cookbooks that concentrate on technique rather than recipe much like good darkroom books concentrate on technique and process rather than a rote combination of steps to take blank film to pictures.
"One such was Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat which ultimately gives in and gives you recipes for things. Another was Julia Child's last book, The Way To Cook, which is broken up into many different categories, with master techniques for each kind of food.
"For me, Chinese food has always been organized this way, which is nice because you only have to learn one 'recipe' for a wide range of dishes...which is why those Chinese takeout menus always have hundreds of dishes on them.
"I think people who like cooking and cook a lot inherently get into a state where they don't really need recipes for most things, and also have most of the ingredients they use a lot on hand and don't need to worry about the cost/waste of obtaining them just to cook one thing.
"I think the hardest thing for cooks to understand is that people who don't cook don't end up in this kind of state. And the hardest thing for people who don't cook to understand is that when people who cook say something like 'oh, that's an easy dish, you just X, Y, Z, W,' there are a lot of assumptions in there about the state of your world that the cook is making that might not be true.
"For me most recipes are too complicated and fussy because they are trying to ride a line between the enthusiasts and the not interested/beginner, and so tend to have too much information for the former group and not enough for the latter, while also giving everyone too much work to do and too many ingredients to buy. Almost everything in the NYT is this way in my experience.
"Ultimately, really, the secret to getting good at cooking is the following very unsatisfying piece of advice: you have to cook a lot. Then you'll get good at it. But that's hardly helpful for people without the interest.
"I have occasionally been guilty of unfairly making fun of people who don't like to cook for not liking to cook and for complaining about recipes. It's one life regret that I have. I should have known better.
"Also, random notes from skimming the comments: Peruvian food knows how to make quinoa delicious. Interestingly there is also a fantastic genre of Peruvian/Chinese crossover food that is incredible.
"Parboil just means to drop the thing in boiling water for a small amount of time so that it soaks a bit of the water in but doesn't actually cook. In my humble opinion vegetables taste better this way than raw or overcooked. A lot of Chinese vegetable dishes are really just lightly steamed/parboiled. That's why they are better than both raw vegetables (salad) and other vegetable dishes that cook the vegetables to death."
Thanks to Pete and the rest of our excellent Commentariat!
Mike
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psu: "Wow. Thanks for the shout out. This humble commenter is flattered and humbled. 🙂 "
Moose: "Re 'For me most recipes are too complicated and fussy because they are trying to ride a line between the enthusiasts and the not interested/beginner'.... Also, in the case of ATK and other generalist sites, they lean toward bland, perhaps fearful of offending and losing folks with old-style 'Midwestern' tastes. I always up the garlic, aromatics, etc.
"There's something else, too. I can't speak for all of us who have been home cooks forever, but I'll bet a lot are like me. I can usually "taste" in my mind how different things will go together. During a period when I was cooking for two adults and three tween to teens. I thought much of the best I did was made up from combining leftovers. I can read a recipe and see how I may alter it to my tastes. Not much use to you, Mike, except to know that other folks have different skills, and thus different experiences."
As an avid amateur cook, I dislike cook-books, especially for dishes. (Cakes and similar are a different story).
My usual method when I want to cook a specific dish, is to look through a number of recipes online (any number between 2 and 5, depending on variance and availability), and note the similarities between them.
That will tell you the vital ingredients for that dish. Most things that differ will be personal touches by the author of that specific recipe, and can generally be left out.
Take those common ingredients, add whichever of the optional ones fit your personal tastes, and try that. If you like it, great. If you don't, try other variations on the 'optionals'.
This has two advantages: One: You usually end up with a much simpler recipe, and in cooking, less is often more. Two: You generally need to buy fewer ingredients, as you can focus the optional ingredients on those you already have, or which interest you.
Posted by: B.J.Scharp | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 10:11 AM
Not anything that I can disagree with.
It all starts with interest.
Posted by: MikeR | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 10:40 AM
Sounds like Pete and I are from the same tribe. Right down to the parboiling. If my greens don't have the bright, bright green of a flash of heat (in either oil or water), they just look dead to me. The exception is some regional dishes -- for instance, I generally cook collards for a short time on high heat, but love them stewed too they way they do it in the southern US.
Posted by: Benjamin Marks | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 11:36 AM
I enjoy cooking, It started with me wanting to make restaurant quality Marinara and Tex Mex Chili. I then branched out into other Italian dishes, Cajun inspired recipes and recently Spanish influenced cuisine.
New England style seafood is also on the menu. Tuesday's stuffed flounder was beyond expectation. We seldom eat out considering the cost.
Posted by: Mike Ferron | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 01:27 PM
Interesting comment with which I partially concur. One recent book that might be of interest is Rebecca May Johnson's Small Fires. She cooked the same dish hundreds of times, and reflects on that, but also on the the cooking with and without a recipe thing via a discussion of one of Mrs Beaton's. And I learned from her that Mrs Beaton, who we think of as rather matronly, died at the age of only 28 having gone into labour while correcting the proofs of an abridged version of her great work.
Posted by: Chris Bertram | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 04:41 PM
I think you are missing the critical criteria that would make you a great cook.
Other people to cook for!
People you care about. Food made with love. A shared meal. Like the difference between playing guitar in your bedroom and jamming live in front of an audience.
You want better chops, do it for the enjoyment of others Mike.
Posted by: Kye Wood | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 07:03 PM
"For me most recipes are too complicated and fussy because they are trying to ride a line between the enthusiasts and the not interested/beginner, and so tend to have too much information for the former group and not enough for the latter, while also giving everyone too much work to do."
and
"Ultimately, really, the secret to getting good at cooking is the following very unsatisfying piece of advice: you have to cook a lot. Then you'll get good at it. But that's hardly helpful for people without the interest."
Is this really OT? Because it sounds a lot like my experience with photography instruction.
Posted by: TC | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 09:34 PM
I used to cook professionally, so I got a lot of the practice out of the way early and on someone else's dime.
Early on in my marriage, I used to work in the kitchen, setting up building blocks for the week ahead, and my wife would ask what I was cooking, expecting to learn the end result. Actually, I had no idea, but it got me closer to something. Roasted red peppers, a pie crust, caramelized onions (the several hour variety), preserved lemons, it would all come in handy. Now, she asks less, and I get closer to completed dishes during my prep time.
In photography terms, it's the scouting work you do to set up an image. Or pre-arranging the lights for a studio portrait session. That's the real work. If you think you are going to send it from nothing, you're setting yourself up for failure.
Posted by: James | Thursday, 10 April 2025 at 11:39 PM
This resonated with me. I am not a cook. Growing up I had no idea what was happening in the kitchen. As proof I offer a few things from when I was out on my own and trying to cook:
I wanted to make my mother's chocolate frosting for a cake. I got her recipe and went shopping. I couldn't find scalded milk anywhere.
I wanted to make mashed potatoes. I peeled some potatoes, put them in a bowl and started trying to mash them. "Damn this is hard."
I didn't understand a lot of words in recipes. "Sauté? Why didn't they just say "fry."
I eventually got a copy of "The Joy of Cooking" which thankfully has a section of definitions.
I'm still not a cook. I can cook anything as long as there are clear directions on the package.
One final story. After I was drafted into the Army I got to my first assignment. As the new guy I was told to make the coffee. I had never made coffee in my life. There was one of those giant silver coffee pots. I opened it up and there was a basket for the grounds. So I filled that basket with coffee. They never asked me to make coffee again...
Posted by: Dave Levingston | Friday, 11 April 2025 at 10:29 AM
Chinese was the first food family I really learned to cook (I'd learned a few basic dishes from my mother, mostly by rote). Back in my first apartment, taking a break from college, in the mid 1970s. Before there was a Szechuan restaurant on every third corner.
I think, maybe, some of the cookbooks I found benefited from being written for Americans; they explained more things in detail (and also had appendixes on getting ingredients not then easily found in the Midwest).
(I did also have a copy, well, 3 copies, of The Joy of Cooking, which taught me a lot of American things over the years.)
At this point I think of myself as a decent home cook. I make up my own recipes, I'm pretty good at imagining flavor combinations.
Posted by: David Dyer-Bennet | Saturday, 12 April 2025 at 05:04 PM