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I have the A7RV and ordered the a6700 the day it was launched. It fits in my jacket pocket, with the 24mm f2.8 g lens glued to the front.

My instinct is to upgrade to the A7cr at some stage… the main reason..
I do not want to build a collection of lens suitable for crop and full frame.

I am getting picky about things like the quality of the evf and rear screen… but Ideal for me to have a general purpose, walk around, pocket battleship and then its bigger brother when I want to use larger lens.

I have almost pulled the trigger on the A7Cr a number of times. But, at almost $3K even on sale, I just couldn’t do it. Now, as a Q2 owner, why would the Sony’s price bother me? Frankly, now that I have retired, I don’t have that same amount of discretionary funds as when I bought the Leica.

But there are other things. The necessarily smaller and lower-resolution viewfinder matched with the 61mp sensor bothers me a bit. And - perhaps this is an out of date perception - Sony’s patchy reputation in terms of weather sealing its cameras lingers in my mind. It’s very likely that the weather resistance of Sony’s newer cameras is just fine. But for a long time it wasn’t.

All of my current cameras are full frame. But now that Sigma has introduced its 16-300mm APS-C superzoom lens, I find myself repeatedly thinking about picking up a gently used Fuji X-H2 at a friendly price to pair with that lens.

I like this one, too, (size, AF, IBIS) but I'm guessing that if I were to try it, the viewfinder would be a disappointment, through probably the only one.

"I wonder what the ideal APS-C camera is to use the Sigma 3omm on?.."

I use Fujifilm for my APS-C format, and it just so happens that Fuji has a 30mm macro lens and it's pretty nice both ergonomically and optically. So, maybe a bit slanted towards Fuji, but if the Sigma has a Fuji mount, why chase yet another brand? Just use the X-T1.

FWIW, my 30mm lives on my X-T2 and the 45mm field of view is very natural and useful.

Mike: "I wonder what the ideal APS-C camera is to use the Sigma 3omm on? (It's too long for Micro 4/3.) That would be interesting to investigate."

For reasons that probably wouldn't interest anyone other than myself, I've been working a lot with focal lengths of ~40m-45m, including on zooms set to those focal lengths. One of my favorites is the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (45 equivalent) on a Fuji X-T5, an APS-C combination that I expect you'd find nearly perfect. The X-T5 has all those external dials and a rational menu, 40mp BSI sensor, and is relatively small and light. I also have a Fuji 27mm f/2.8 "muffin" lens (slightly bigger than a pancake, but still very small, equivalent to ~41mm) that is not nearly as good as the 30, but very compact and makes the camera come off as a point 'n shoot. The combination is light enough that I often carry it on a left-handed hand-strap, leaving my dominant hand free, but I can swing it up and shoot in a second or two.

Mike, the Sony A7C cameras are attractive because of the size, no doubt. I've always ruled them out because: No always-visible, top deck positioned info display of shutter speed/ISO, aperture, etc. Even Sony's absolute top-of-the-line $$$$ cameras have no info display on the top deck. Some say they don't miss it, a few say they never used it anyway. Very well...I'm content to let them do them.

There's a new 25/1.7 from Viltrox for Sony APS-C. Image quality looks quite amazing for the price, check Dustin Abbott's review."

I purchased the Sigma 30mm 1.4 a while back and have been using it with my Fujifilm XE4. It is a bit heavy but not enough to go to my trusty Fujifilm 27mm pancake lens.

What I like about the 30mm is, well, the 30mms field of view.I have a Contact G1 and they come with the 45mm lens.For decades I used a 28mm lens so going to a 45 mm lens was a gamble. But I took to it quickly.

This lens, the 30mm, has been out for a while and I think Fujifilm X cameras were late in getting them. I was hesitant in getting it because I really don’t need the speed of this lens, f1.4. But finally I got it because I was tired of waiting for a Fujifilm version. Didn’t wait long enough or maybe I didn’t want the spent the money some of the other 30mm lenses cost.

I should note I have a few lenses in the wide category but if I need wider than the 30mm I use the 16mm lens. I rarely use the 23mm lens and may sell it.

In short I like it and it is my goto lens in the normal to medium wide range.

It's an appealing camera for sure. If Fuji go wrong with the upcoming X-E5, I'd look seriously at the A7Cr and a couple of small primes to replace my X-E3 and Fujicrons. It'd be a shame to have to change systems (I do have an infrared converted Sony A7 and one 24mm lens already), but everything I've seen and read paints the A7Cr as a very worthy tool.

Bear with me. Annoyingly competent. I've got two Lumix G85s. I can't replace them because though not brilliant at any one or two things, they are annoyingly competent at everything. I'd love a new camera - but it has to be able to be justified.

Last week I purchased a brand new Subaru Outback (Australia gets the ones built in Japan). It's unattractive, too tall really, and too long. But it is formidably competent at everything.

DAGNABIT!!!

In 2023, after several years of photographing birds with a Fuji X-T1 then an X-T5, I wanted to try a brand that's considered to be among the best at autofocus. I would've preferred APS-C but nobody seems to be making lenses for that format these days. Canon and Sony seem to be the top 2 for autofocus but Canon's lens options, even for full frame, was and still is pitiful. So the camera I buy was going to be a Sony. I definitely wanted the new subject recognition autofocus feature. I think that was available only in the then-new a6--- and the a7RV but the a7RV is pricier than any body I'd ever purchased and 61mp seemed like overkill. So I waited to see the specs for the upcoming a7CII and a7CR. If there were 2 cameras that are identical in every way except size, I would always buy the smaller one even if it were priced higher. So it seemed that I would buy one of those two new cameras instead of an a7RV unless there was some fatal flaw. That fatal flaw turned out to be a 2,359,296-dot EVF.

I think that you'd like the Sigma 35mm f/2 much more than the Sony 35 on the A7CR.

[It's a beautiful lens, isn't it? I love the DG DN Contemporary series. But I think if I had the A7Cr myself (not going to happen, by the way--I have enough cameras), I would want a Sony lens just to make sure all the camera functions worked seamlessly with it. Given my past experience. YMMV. --Mike]

Well, for me, it's... well... it's just another Sony. They've never had anything that appealed to me in any way, shape, or form. There's nothing especially _wrong_ about them but nothing that makes me sit up and say "oooh" like Leica, Nikon or Pentax.

I've gone from FF Nikon to APS-C Pentax quite happily and find their lens ecosystem very rewarding. The DA Limited lenses are an utter delight; I wish Nikon had DX lenses half as good. I love DSLR optical finders over even the finest EVF - and Sony's are not that.

Broken record me, the only cameras out there right now that could tempt me from my Leica M 240 and my Pentax K-3 are the Q3 and the K3mkIII Monochrome.

The ideal sensor size for a 30mm lens may be 4-perf Super 35, which was the original silent movie frame size, and still the standard for digital cinema cameras. Its "full" frame 4:3 aspect ratio is a hair larger than APS or half frame, but as with APS is usually cropped to wider aspect ratios. I believe the 35mme would come to about 40-50mm depending on aspect ratio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_35

If you're going to mention the Sony A7CR, why not also mention its slightly lower pixel count sibling, the Sony A7CII? [I did! --Mike] It offers 33 megapixels vs the A7CR's 61 and at a lower price: $2200 vs $3000. (Doubling pixel count only increases the real, linear resolution by ~40%, which is visually negligible.)

The A7CII has the same EVF drawbacks as the A7C2, but it also has the same AF system and it's $800 less. Assuming a maximum budget of $3K, the $800 difference in price alone would allow for at least one high-quality lens to go with the body. That's all I have to say; let the debate continue.

I've done a lot of shooting with vintage, MF, FF lenses and contemporary LensBabies, TTArtisans, etc. First Sony A7, then A7II, then A7RII.

Then came the A7C. I sold off the rest; the A7C is the perfect camera for that use - for me.

The A7RII showed me that the higher MP sensors don't really add anything, other than larger files, for these lenses. Fancier AF doesn't matter, either.

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