I'd get the Sony FE 35mm ƒ/1.8 lens with it instead of
the one shown, but you choose
So how come we've never talked about this before? We talk about handy, easy to carry, high-image-quality cameras with premium-level build quality, but have somehow skipped over the full-frame Sony A7Cr. Two people, Mike Fewster and psu (Pete Su), mentioned it in the Comments the other day. Who's leading the discussion here? He's been negligent.
The Sony A7Cr has Sony Semiconductor Solutions' formidable high-speed, low-noise, ultra-high-performance 61-megapixel back-illuminated CMOS image sensor. That's quite a draw. (The 24-MP A7C and 33-MP A7C II are still available too.) It adopts that and the BIONZ XR image processor from the A7R IV (which you shouldn't buy now because the A7 V and A7R VI are on the way, probably in 2025 and early 2026 respectively). Yet it's the same size, almost the same weight, and almost but not quite the same design as the more affordable APS-C A6700. I owned the A6600 (still available, for a bargain price and with a free extended warranty) briefly a year or two ago, and it was one of the few cameras I've seen or held in the last decade that felt truly premium in its solid, deluxe-feeling build quality. I have to imagine that the more than twice as expensive full-frame version would be equally satisfying in quality. I appreciated the A6600's big, powerful NP-FZ100 battery, too, and the same battery is used in the A7Cr. Another plus, but maybe just for me: I can remember its alphanumerical jumble.
My only problem with the crop-sensor version I had was that I couldn't quite work out the lens situation to my satisfaction. I liked the image quality of the Sigma 30mm I settled on quite a lot (so much so that it led me to my current Sigma lens), but it didn't seem to work as well on my A6600 as the native Sony lenses. Eye-focus only worked part of the time on mine. Too bad*; otherwise the two would have made a nice pairing.
The lens situation is better for the full-frame version.
Exudes, I say!
Historically I've had a certain problem I struggle with, which has worked its way into my camera investigations a few times—I give up on things too quickly. The A7Cr makes me think that maybe I should have pursued the Sony rangefinder-style cameras more doggedly. Instead of just bailing on the A6600 when I didn't immediately find "the" lens for it (I'm very picky, perhaps irrationally so), maybe I should have considered sidestepping over to the FF versions. (I didn't. Consider it, I mean.) There are more and better lens solutions in FF. I think I'd personally choose the FE 35mm ƒ/1.8 despite its high price and despite the existence of the 40mm ƒ/2.5. If you like 50mm there's the new GM one in the picture above, which is getting lots of buzz. (It appeared in stores two years ago right now.) In any event, there are choices in whatever focal length range you like.
It's not like I like all Sony cameras. I tried an A7II when it was current, and didn't care for it. It wasn't bad at all; actually, quite good. But for me, it seemed designed to look good rather than feel good and work well. A little unfriendly to the hand, not very ergonomic in layout, and I didn't even care for the "touch" of its surfaces. It wasn't so bad until the Nikon full-frame mirrorless cameras came along and schooled Sony as to how it ought to be done. In fairness, Sony has modified the body design of its FF SLR-style cameras now and is in the process of migrating the new style into the various models. While the A7II just didn't invite me to pick it up for some reason, the A6600 was the opposite. It's beautifully solid and exudes a strong impression of premium quality. Nice. And inviting. And tickled the endorphins, every time I picked it up.
We should talk about the A7Cr sometime. I wonder if I should review it? It would enlarge my horizons, no pun intended—I've never tried a 50-MP+ sensor in any camera. It's probably past time to do that.
Mike
*I wonder what the ideal APS-C camera is to use the Sigma 3omm on? (It's too long for me with Micro 4/3.) That would be interesting to investigate.
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Bob Rosinsky: "I think the A7Cr's big drawback is its low-rez EVF."
Jeff Kott: "I’ve always been drawn to high quality but small photo gear, which is why I shifted from Nikon to Pentax to the Sony system starting with adapted M mount lenses on Sony NEX cameras. For me, the A7CR is the best camera I’ve ever owned. The only thing I would change is the EVF, which is OK to use, but there is clearly room for significant improvement."
Mike: "Actually the 30mm Sigma on Micro 4/3 is really great, especially since as a 35mm shooter I really enjoyed 60mm lenses on my Leica R and Contax system bodies. Paired with a 24mm ƒ/28 and a 135mm, it’s a very versatile kit. The 60 is a very good portrait length, even for tight headshots."
Mike replies: I'll go add the words "for me" to that sentence. As you say, if you like 60mm then that's a different story.
Christer Almqvist: "If you are to get the A7Cr, reconsider the 40mm ƒ/2.5 Sony G lens. I have three of the four Sony lenses you mentioned (not the 35mm ƒ/1.8 though). The small size of the 40mm makes it a very good fit for the A7Cr. I use it a lot on my A7R V especially for making pictures of people where I do not wish to hide behind a huge lens. Only ƒ/2.5? Yes, but with stunning sharpness wide open. Sony lenses, at least the G and GM, have excellent build quality. Buy a secondhand one. All mine are."
Steve Rosenblum: "The A7Cr is a very compelling camera. Put a 28mm or 40mm lens on it and you basically have a Leica Q3 or Q3 43 at half the price, with the advantage of being able to change lenses. I rented one to see for myself. Technically it has the sensor and the basic form factor of the Leica, but: 1. The Sony EVF is not nearly as nice, it has lower magnification and less resolution; 2. It has a flip out screen instead of one that tilts up and down (and I like waist level shooting), and 3. The menus, controls and general haptics are not nearly as intuitive and useful as the Leica Q3. On the other hand, it's $3,000 less."
DB: "My most-used travel camera."
Andy F: "My partner wants to get into wildlife photography, so we went to a trade show last Autumn, and we were both blown away by the handling of the A7Cr. When the body grip was attached, we found it superior to the A7r V. It's basically the A7r V, but with a low-res EVF and only one card slot. You should hire one with a GM lens and do a review."
I have the A7RV and ordered the a6700 the day it was launched. It fits in my jacket pocket, with the 24mm f2.8 g lens glued to the front.
My instinct is to upgrade to the A7cr at some stage… the main reason..
I do not want to build a collection of lens suitable for crop and full frame.
I am getting picky about things like the quality of the evf and rear screen… but Ideal for me to have a general purpose, walk around, pocket battleship and then its bigger brother when I want to use larger lens.
Posted by: Matt O’Brien | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 10:46 AM
I have almost pulled the trigger on the A7Cr a number of times. But, at almost $3K even on sale, I just couldn’t do it. Now, as a Q2 owner, why would the Sony’s price bother me? Frankly, now that I have retired, I don’t have that same amount of discretionary funds as when I bought the Leica.
But there are other things. The necessarily smaller and lower-resolution viewfinder matched with the 61mp sensor bothers me a bit. And - perhaps this is an out of date perception - Sony’s patchy reputation in terms of weather sealing its cameras lingers in my mind. It’s very likely that the weather resistance of Sony’s newer cameras is just fine. But for a long time it wasn’t.
All of my current cameras are full frame. But now that Sigma has introduced its 16-300mm APS-C superzoom lens, I find myself repeatedly thinking about picking up a gently used Fuji X-H2 at a friendly price to pair with that lens.
Posted by: Steve Biro | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 11:46 AM
I like this one, too, (size, AF, IBIS) but I'm guessing that if I were to try it, the viewfinder would be a disappointment, through probably the only one.
Posted by: Bahi | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 12:23 PM
"I wonder what the ideal APS-C camera is to use the Sigma 3omm on?.."
I use Fujifilm for my APS-C format, and it just so happens that Fuji has a 30mm macro lens and it's pretty nice both ergonomically and optically. So, maybe a bit slanted towards Fuji, but if the Sigma has a Fuji mount, why chase yet another brand? Just use the X-T1.
FWIW, my 30mm lives on my X-T2 and the 45mm field of view is very natural and useful.
Posted by: Albert Smith | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 12:42 PM
Mike: "I wonder what the ideal APS-C camera is to use the Sigma 3omm on? (It's too long for Micro 4/3.) That would be interesting to investigate."
For reasons that probably wouldn't interest anyone other than myself, I've been working a lot with focal lengths of ~40m-45m, including on zooms set to those focal lengths. One of my favorites is the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (45 equivalent) on a Fuji X-T5, an APS-C combination that I expect you'd find nearly perfect. The X-T5 has all those external dials and a rational menu, 40mp BSI sensor, and is relatively small and light. I also have a Fuji 27mm f/2.8 "muffin" lens (slightly bigger than a pancake, but still very small, equivalent to ~41mm) that is not nearly as good as the 30, but very compact and makes the camera come off as a point 'n shoot. The combination is light enough that I often carry it on a left-handed hand-strap, leaving my dominant hand free, but I can swing it up and shoot in a second or two.
Posted by: John Camp | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 03:21 PM
Mike, the Sony A7C cameras are attractive because of the size, no doubt. I've always ruled them out because: No always-visible, top deck positioned info display of shutter speed/ISO, aperture, etc. Even Sony's absolute top-of-the-line $$$$ cameras have no info display on the top deck. Some say they don't miss it, a few say they never used it anyway. Very well...I'm content to let them do them.
Posted by: Keith B. | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 04:35 PM
There's a new 25/1.7 from Viltrox for Sony APS-C. Image quality looks quite amazing for the price, check Dustin Abbott's review."
Posted by: t_h | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 04:44 PM
I purchased the Sigma 30mm 1.4 a while back and have been using it with my Fujifilm XE4. It is a bit heavy but not enough to go to my trusty Fujifilm 27mm pancake lens.
What I like about the 30mm is, well, the 30mms field of view.I have a Contact G1 and they come with the 45mm lens.For decades I used a 28mm lens so going to a 45 mm lens was a gamble. But I took to it quickly.
This lens, the 30mm, has been out for a while and I think Fujifilm X cameras were late in getting them. I was hesitant in getting it because I really don’t need the speed of this lens, f1.4. But finally I got it because I was tired of waiting for a Fujifilm version. Didn’t wait long enough or maybe I didn’t want the spent the money some of the other 30mm lenses cost.
I should note I have a few lenses in the wide category but if I need wider than the 30mm I use the 16mm lens. I rarely use the 23mm lens and may sell it.
In short I like it and it is my goto lens in the normal to medium wide range.
Posted by: John Stewart Krill | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 05:14 PM
It's an appealing camera for sure. If Fuji go wrong with the upcoming X-E5, I'd look seriously at the A7Cr and a couple of small primes to replace my X-E3 and Fujicrons. It'd be a shame to have to change systems (I do have an infrared converted Sony A7 and one 24mm lens already), but everything I've seen and read paints the A7Cr as a very worthy tool.
Posted by: Peter Williams | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 05:21 PM
Bear with me. Annoyingly competent. I've got two Lumix G85s. I can't replace them because though not brilliant at any one or two things, they are annoyingly competent at everything. I'd love a new camera - but it has to be able to be justified.
Last week I purchased a brand new Subaru Outback (Australia gets the ones built in Japan). It's unattractive, too tall really, and too long. But it is formidably competent at everything.
DAGNABIT!!!
Posted by: Kye Wood | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 07:31 PM
In 2023, after several years of photographing birds with a Fuji X-T1 then an X-T5, I wanted to try a brand that's considered to be among the best at autofocus. I would've preferred APS-C but nobody seems to be making lenses for that format these days. Canon and Sony seem to be the top 2 for autofocus but Canon's lens options, even for full frame, was and still is pitiful. So the camera I buy was going to be a Sony. I definitely wanted the new subject recognition autofocus feature. I think that was available only in the then-new a6--- and the a7RV but the a7RV is pricier than any body I'd ever purchased and 61mp seemed like overkill. So I waited to see the specs for the upcoming a7CII and a7CR. If there were 2 cameras that are identical in every way except size, I would always buy the smaller one even if it were priced higher. So it seemed that I would buy one of those two new cameras instead of an a7RV unless there was some fatal flaw. That fatal flaw turned out to be a 2,359,296-dot EVF.
Posted by: Keith S | Sunday, 30 March 2025 at 09:19 PM
I think that you'd like the Sigma 35mm f/2 much more than the Sony 35 on the A7CR.
[It's a beautiful lens, isn't it? I love the DG DN Contemporary series. But I think if I had the A7Cr myself (not going to happen, by the way--I have enough cameras), I would want a Sony lens just to make sure all the camera functions worked seamlessly with it. Given my past experience. YMMV. --Mike]
Posted by: brian | Monday, 31 March 2025 at 01:59 AM
Well, for me, it's... well... it's just another Sony. They've never had anything that appealed to me in any way, shape, or form. There's nothing especially _wrong_ about them but nothing that makes me sit up and say "oooh" like Leica, Nikon or Pentax.
I've gone from FF Nikon to APS-C Pentax quite happily and find their lens ecosystem very rewarding. The DA Limited lenses are an utter delight; I wish Nikon had DX lenses half as good. I love DSLR optical finders over even the finest EVF - and Sony's are not that.
Broken record me, the only cameras out there right now that could tempt me from my Leica M 240 and my Pentax K-3 are the Q3 and the K3mkIII Monochrome.
Posted by: William Lewis | Monday, 31 March 2025 at 02:11 AM
The ideal sensor size for a 30mm lens may be 4-perf Super 35, which was the original silent movie frame size, and still the standard for digital cinema cameras. Its "full" frame 4:3 aspect ratio is a hair larger than APS or half frame, but as with APS is usually cropped to wider aspect ratios. I believe the 35mme would come to about 40-50mm depending on aspect ratio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_35
Posted by: robert e | Monday, 31 March 2025 at 09:00 AM
If you're going to mention the Sony A7CR, why not also mention its slightly lower pixel count sibling, the Sony A7CII? [I did! --Mike] It offers 33 megapixels vs the A7CR's 61 and at a lower price: $2200 vs $3000. (Doubling pixel count only increases the real, linear resolution by ~40%, which is visually negligible.)
The A7CII has the same EVF drawbacks as the A7C2, but it also has the same AF system and it's $800 less. Assuming a maximum budget of $3K, the $800 difference in price alone would allow for at least one high-quality lens to go with the body. That's all I have to say; let the debate continue.
Posted by: Gordon Lewis | Monday, 31 March 2025 at 10:40 AM
I've done a lot of shooting with vintage, MF, FF lenses and contemporary LensBabies, TTArtisans, etc. First Sony A7, then A7II, then A7RII.
Then came the A7C. I sold off the rest; the A7C is the perfect camera for that use - for me.
The A7RII showed me that the higher MP sensors don't really add anything, other than larger files, for these lenses. Fancier AF doesn't matter, either.
Posted by: Moose | Wednesday, 02 April 2025 at 03:11 PM