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Tuesday, 25 February 2025

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Hurrah for onboard memory - I never understood this memory card thing. Maybe some kind of industry cabal? Oh, I love conspiracy theories!

Camera manufacturers could still provide both, but really if you can't transfer data, wired or wirelessly, either your camera is f****d, or you are a film guy

And it's not even April Fool's Day!

If the new Sigma camera's internal memory is corrupted or fails, you've either got a very expensive paperweight or will likely spend quite a bit getting it repaired (assuming it is even repairable), as opposed to just replacing a cheap SD card.

Pass.

I salute Sigma (once again) for having the testicular fortitude to create a product from their instincts and hearts. Honestly, though, it's not a design I'm drawn to try. That unforgivingly sharp block body, a flush unmovable rear screen, no evf... it seems inspired mostly by industrial surveillance and inspection cameras rather than an evolutionary spur of current consumer electronic design.

But, hey, that's just me.

I think it is not fair to say the BF is radically simple because it has fewer buttons and dials than a mechanical camera. The mechanical camera had some buttons and dials ... and that is all it had. The BF had buttons and dials ... and a menu system with three pages of menus, and a touch screen.

It is like saying a keyboard with one key is radically simple: it looks like it but you have to learn baudot code to use it.

Probably it is radically simple by the standards of the awful metastatized interfaces people are now used to. But it is not button-per-function-and-only-three-functions.

At last, simplicity at 1/3 Leica prices! Count me in.

The new Sigma BF is certainly intriguing; it reminds me of a full-frame Canon SD1000. Still, I’m not sure. I’d have to play with one and see how that rear LCD does in bright sunlight. But count me interested.

From my first digital camera in 2001, there was always a USB cable in the box, for transferring images. Eliminating the card reader reduces manufacturing costs.

Cool industrial design.

The Sigma product makes me think of an iPhone-like device with interchangeable lenses. BIG interchangeable lenses.

Looks slick and slippery. I would accidentally drop it. If it WiFis or Bluetooths the data to your computer or device, that'll save on having the USB jack replaced when [not if] it wears out. I like Sigma because they have made good and different stuff these last few years. Will this catch on where the Zeiss ZX 1 didn't?

> Hurrah for onboard memory - I never understood this memory card thing. Maybe some kind of industry cabal? Oh, I love conspiracy theories!

For those of us who'd like our devices to last, it's not wonderful to have built-in a part that will by definition fail, probably sooner rather than later.

Imagine how you'd feel if it came with a built-in battery that couldn't be replaced without disassembling the camera and using a soldering iron?

I guess the foveon sensor is as deceased as a Monty Python parrot.

Pitty. I was particularly piqued by this TOP post. A foveon sensored camera would get me to dust off my wallet.

When I first saw this I thought wow, that's interesting. Mike, I have been reading with interest about your setup with your Sigma FP. I think the BF looks like a great minimalist camera, if I had one I would get an M - L lens mount adapter and use my legacy Leica M lenses on it for a compact system that I could take on bike rides or hikes.

Fewer buttons (and no dials) just means doing things via a screen rather than through those physical controls. I don't think of that as simpler and I actually quite like buttons and dials so long as there aren't too many.

No viewfinder.

Hard Pass.

Everything the BF has is to my liking. But it does not have everything I like. I miss IS and a flip up (and down, please) screen. Just to mention two.

For those concerned about failing camera memory, how about the memory in the phone you likely carry in your pocket? In my case, my phone's data is automatically downloaded (uploaded?) and saved in "the cloud."

My concerns about failing memory are more about the one that lives between my ears. Of course, I have decades of photos (hard copies and digital) as backup for that.

It looks like the difference between Leica vs Sigma is simplicity and functionality vs just simplicity. I suppose that practical functionality pushes the price up 3x.

Yeah, but...

A lack of buttons does not necessarily mean simple operation. My flashlight has only one button, but requires arcane combinations of long, short, and multiple presses to change the brightness, etc.

The BF seems to have lots of menu choices to wade through. Multiple file formats, film color distortions, all the usual stuff. It's just made more difficult with fewer buttons.

Looks like a brutelist ux with all the ergonomics of an office stapler. I’d wager it’s longevity similar to Lytro. But hey, one has to push boundaries…

Just a warning. IF you want no card cameras, those cameras MUST be fully communicative. Your data shouldn't be living on the camera forever, it should be easily moved elsewhere.

Here's where things get problematic with the current choices: (1) Bluetooth is too slow; (2) Wi-Fi has proven to be poorly developed in the camera world; and (3) if you expect USB connectivity, those cameras with small batteries have to charge/power at the same time as moving data.

Whether you pick #1, #2, or #3, realistically, you need an automatic way of this happening, not a user-intrusive manual sequence.

I've been saying this since 2007, by the way.

Reportedly they can only make 9 bodies a day due to the 7 hour CNC process, so if you do manage to get one, you will be one of the few. Personally, if I wanted a small griplesss full frame L mount camera without a viewfinder, I would probably get the Panasonic S9, which is about $600 less, and comes in your color of choice. But I'm happy to see Sigma still having fun.

No hot shoe. That is minimalist!

Tom's sansmirror site indicates this camera can go down to ISO 6. I'll be curious to see how photos at that low ISO setting will look.

(https://sansmirror.com/cameras/camera-database/sigma-mirrorless-cameras/sigma-bf-camera-specificati.html)

I have several Sigma lenses for my Fuji cameras, and have been impressed by their quality. But I can't figure out why anyone would buy this camera, with all the other choices out there. Anything with a built-in hard drive is asking for trouble -- and you can buy 2TB SanDisk SD cards, with eight times the memory, for $250, so...Furthermore, it's not radically simple. I'll tell you what's radically simple -- I have (right now) three different camera systems, and all of them can be set on "auto" and all you do is press the button. 90% percent of the time, or more, you will do as well as if you'd gone through a laborious set-up. So there's that.

Didn't Leica try this with its TL and TL2?

In the voice of Clara Peller, of Wendy's advertising fame, "Where's the grip?"

My applause for onboard memory seems to have stirred a few people up. Just to say I've never had solid state memory fail on any device, and I'm still using some that are more than 10 years old. I have however had a few memory card failures and even the contacts breaking in one camera. I now keep the card in the camera and transfer any images via USB

When I look at the BF, and FP before it, I see bodies that would be suited to "slow" work, maybe on tripod, a sort of modern equivalent to 4x5 view or even medium format body, only smaller and lighter. I mentioned this in a comment on Kirk Tuck's blog. I seem to be out to lunch on this one. People seem to enjoy/want the additional friction of auxiliary viewfinders or quirky interfaces. Those things would not be especially bothersome in slow work, but that's not the target market so far as I can tell. I find this odd but then I don't know why we're replacing perfectly good modern automatic transmissions with new CVT or DSG designs.

I love this camera. Seems long overdue to me.

But I won't be buying it, my iPhone 15 Pro Max is my everyday camera.

(I also agree with Thom's take on connectivity)

Zeiss did try. We'll see about this one.

I don't know when I've seen a less appealing camera. It's boxy as an old Argus C3, and as menu-driven as an smartphone. Without an EVF, precision composition is off the table. Handholding without image stabilization, you're usually losing resolution. So you put it on a tripod? That conflicts with the portability this camera implies. Using L lenses, it's probably pretty bulky, too. There's no apparent reason to choose this camera unless you want to be seen with a mysterious monolith hanging from your neck.

Minimalism in all things is getting on my nerves. Less isn't always more; most times, it's just less.

I've preordered one, I'll report on it after it arrives and I get some experience. For me, it'll be a good excuse to get some L-mount lenses, as I await the delivery of the 'just-around-the-corner' Foveon FF (hopefully sometime this decade...).

For transfer of files, it plugs into an iPhone. That seems pretty convenient to me...

This is not good design, it is merely style.

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