Who was this handsome couple, anyone know?
No cheating, now!
A more or less period photo of the studio where the picture was made can be seen here. (Thanks to Calvin Amari for that).
Mike
UPDATE Monday morning: First three comments that came in:
WJW: "Teddy Roosevelt?"
Craig Yuill: "Winston Churchill’s parents? (Mother was American if I recall correctly.)"
Bruce Hedge: "Your grandparents? Make that great-grandparents...but neither would have come up if I'd 'cheated' (I suspect they're well known), so neither is correct, I reckon."
Mike adds: Correct. But kudos to all three of you for not cheating. Speed noted, "The truly amazing thing (for us old people) is that it takes less than a second for Google (and others I suppose) to find the answer when I paste just the image into their search engine."
Stephen Jenner and some others knew the answer. The man is Harry Alonzo Longabaugh, better known as the Sundance Kid, one of the most famous outlaws of the Old West and one of the two titular subjects of arguably the best "bromance" movie ever made (or that I've ever seen, anyway), Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969), written by William Goldman and directed by George Roy Hill. Paul Newman starred as Robert LeRoy Parker, alias "Butch Cassidy," and Robert Redford played the Sundance Kid. Goldman won an Oscar for the movie, as did the cinematographer, Conrad L. Hall. It was the top-grossing film released in the U.S. in 1969 (and No. 8 in France); it eventually earned ~$100m, a lot of money in those days. Neither Longabaugh nor Parker were gunfighters or psychopathic killers, but they seemed addicted to robbing banks. In real life, they fled to Argentina (in the movie it was Bolivia), where they lived for eight years, becoming even more notorious there than they had been in the United States. But they eventually robbed one bank too many, and were hunted down and cornered, either killing themselves or being killed by the authorities in the standoff. Goldman had a hard time selling the screenplay because studios didn't like the South American ending. One studio head refused to buy it unless Goldman changed it, and when Goldman protested that it had really happened that way, the mogul reportedly replied, "I don't give a shit. All I know is John Wayne don't run away." The South American episode was what had attracted Goldman to the story in the first place, because it contradicted F. Scott Fitzgerald's famous dictum that there are no second acts in American lives.
The woman is Etta—more likely Ethel*—Place, and the "Place" is in doubt as well, as it was Longabaugh's mother's maiden name and thus probably an alias**. A lot of things are known about her, including that she was the first woman granted land in Argentina under an 1884 law that had previously excluded women. But a lot is not known about her, too. She is vaguely believed to have been a schoolteacher or a prostitute, or even both. But William Goldman, who also wrote The Princess Bride—the book as well as the screenplay—and All the President's Men, which also starred Redford, didn't buy the prostitute story. He argued that exceptionally beautiful women seldom were prostitutes in the old West, and that the life, which was grueling, tended to age women prematurely and show in their appearances. Place, if that was her name, was played in the movie by Katherine Ross, who had been one of the stars of The Graduate in 1967 and later starred in The Stepford Wives. Cinematographer Conrad L. Hall became the third of Ross's five husbands after they met during the filming of Butch. She also worked with Redford in Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here, in the same year they made Butch together.
Mostly, what isn't known about Etta or Ethel Place is where she had come from...and where she went. The Pinkerton Detective Agency, a private law enforcement agency that was a sort of precursor of the Secret Service among other things, became uninterested in chasing her after Longabaugh's and Parker's deaths, and she fades from view and disappears. Interest in her fate among aficionados of the Wild West has been intense, and a welter of theories and claims have been put forward, all on the shoulders of slender evidence and ardent speculation. The truth is that no one really knows. After appearing in history rather distinctly during her years with the two outlaws—as distinctly as she appears in this photograph, one might say—she managed to disappear back into the mists of anonymity from whence she had come. No one knows how long she lived, or where, or how, or under what name.
So even though some of you knew who this photograph depicts, it still remains a mystery anyway—and doubtless always will.
*"Etta" is approximately what the Spanish speakers of Argentina might have said when trying to pronounce "Ethel."
**Although it's also plausible they were cousins. Worldwide, more than 10% of marriages are between first or second cousins to this day, despite the fact that the practice is outlawed in some countries. A Mennonite woman I talked to once, explaining the fact that her husband was five years younger than herself, said, "he was the most distant cousin to me we could find."
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robert e: "William Goldman once used the variant spelling 'Harry Longbaugh' as a pseudonym. In his 20s, he'd already started his eight years of research on Butch and Sundance when he got a fat advance for a long literary novel, his fourth. But 300 pages in, he was blocked, so he took two weeks off to write a thriller based on the Boston Strangler murders (No Way to Treat a Lady). His editor feared for his reputation so they borrowed Longabaugh's name. It turned out to be Goldman's most successful book to that point and led to his screenwriting career. (That longer book, Boys and Girls Together, became a best seller.) He was sharing a New York apartment with his screenwriter brother James (The Lion In Winter) and the broadway composer John Kanter (Cabaret, Chicago). All three went on to win Academy Awards. 'I [don't] like my writing. I wrote a movie called Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and I wrote a novel called The Princess Bride and those are the only two things I've ever written, not that I'm proud of, but that I can look at without humiliation.' A fascinating person, life, and career."
Teddy Roosevelt?
Posted by: WJW | Sunday, 03 December 2023 at 11:57 PM
Winston Churchill’s parents? (Mother was American IIRC.)
Posted by: Craig Yuill | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 12:10 AM
Your grandparents?
Posted by: Bruce Hedge | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 12:47 AM
Make that great grandparents.... but neither would have come up if I'd "cheated",( I suspect they're well known) so neither is correct, I reckon.
Posted by: Bruce Hedge | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 12:50 AM
Harry Longabaugh, better known as the Sundance Kid. And Miss Etta Place.
Posted by: Mark Sampson | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 12:54 AM
Harry Longbaugh (the Sundance Kid) and Etta Place. Source: https://tatteredandlostphotographs.blogspot.com/2012/04/looking-blissful-at-bliss-bros.html
Posted by: Joel Bartlett | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 01:02 AM
I believe it’s Harry Longabaugh and Etta Place.
Posted by: GKFroehlich | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 01:23 AM
George Eastman and wife?
Posted by: W. Taylor | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 04:47 AM
Mike, it is Harry Longabaugh (aka the Sundance Kid) and Etta Place.
I had a book for Christmas somewhere around 55 years ago, and it was about the “wild west”.
I was fascinated then and I still am, regarding the short span of history that is pertinent to the USA, so long as you ignore the history of the “red injuns”.
In another, unrelated fascination, I have a piece of rough wood sitting on my hearth. This one is not for burning though, it was taken from the ground beneath the “Ankerwycke Yew” in Wraysbury, it is on the opposite side of the river to where the Americans created a dedication to the site where Magna Carta was sealed.
Near, but far.
Posted by: Stephen Jenner | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 05:01 AM
Oh and N.B. Mike…
I had to consult the book, it is sitting on a shelf, blow the dust off and flick through the pages until I found the picture to get the spelling.
It is still a wonderful read, and I have put it on the floor by my chair to have another look, later.
BTW: There are also other snaps of “the hole in the wall" gang there, and some of them, including Butch Cassidy and “Kid” Curry look pretty unsavoury.
Posted by: Stephen Jenner | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 05:10 AM
Easy: images.google.com search by images yields https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundance_Kid
Posted by: Marco | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 06:08 AM
The truly amazing thing (for us old people) is that it takes less than a second for Google (and others I suppose) to find the answer when I paste just the image into their search engine.
And on top or that, as I type this my browser keeps accurately (and sometimes creatively) suggesting the next word and/or phrase. Fun.
I'm waiting for Mike to try making images using AI. That would be great fun.
Posted by: Speed | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 06:18 AM
My 1st guess was Robert Parker and Etta Place.
I was close, but it won’t pay. The bloke is Harry Longabaugh.
…Mike
(Ie. The Sundance Kid, not Butch Cassidy, with Ms Place.)
Posted by: MikeF | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 06:20 AM
The Sundance Kid
Posted by: Rick Olsen | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 06:48 AM
Batt Masterson - purely a guess.
Posted by: Tim McGowan | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 07:35 AM
It’s Harry Alonzo Longabaugh and Etta Place.
Voltz
Posted by: V.I. Voltz | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 08:17 AM
Wyatt Earp & Josephine ( nee Marcus? Baylock? can't remember her last name....)
Posted by: Ed berger | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 08:47 AM
Just a guess but ... George Eastman
Posted by: John Abee | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 09:44 AM
Relatives of yours?
Posted by: robert e | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 10:03 AM
Don't ask me why, but I happen to have, as a subset of my collection, photos that have in the background the studio of famous 19th century photographers (almost always, presumably, by accident). The Bliss Brothers, from whence this cabinet card comes, are hardly famous, but I would be proud to have this awesome shot of their studio. Studying it with the exegetical rigor typically reserved for ancient hieroglyphs or the Zapruder film is most rewarding. Enjoy.
https://burchfieldpenney.org/art-and-artists/people/profile:bliss-brothers-photographers-buffalo-n-y/
Posted by: calvin amari | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 10:53 AM
Fun find! (After spending a summer researching daguerreotypes and later “-types” of the era all men, living or dead, look the same to me behind facial hair. So I had little chance.)
Ah, but the embers of my youthful memories still smolder when I think of my high school sweetheart whom I took to see Butch Cassidy several times. She was a lovely young lady, and my best friend through much of my teen age.
Posted by: Kenneth Tanaka | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 11:29 AM
The cabin Butch Cassidy supposedly lived in is in a farm field near Circleville, Utah. A bit South of Big Rock Candy Mountain. Worth a stop if you are traveling through.
Posted by: Daniel | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 11:43 AM
Who is this couple?

Posted by: Herman Krieger | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 12:12 PM
How close you have to follow the real history when making a movie? If Robert Redford had used a mustache like that it would never have been successful.
[But he did! --Mike]
Posted by: s.woletrs | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 12:29 PM
Ah, you're right! My old brain must be full of strange distorted images. In fact the moustache is the only resemblance between them!
Posted by: s.wolters | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 02:19 PM
Thanks for the photo Mike. Never saw it before. That movie is very close to my heart.
My parents got married in 1970. They lived in a small town in southern Mexico, 1,000 km away from the capital, and my father arranged a honeymoon to Mexico City, coincidentally, in the very same weeks when the city would be hosting the World Cup (and a legendary one, by the way).
Nevertheless, my mother always talked fondly of those weeks. Of the many movies they went to see, they bought one LP soundtrack, that of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. After my father died at 44 I often would go to that LP and think about that young couple, enjoying life like never before, and never after, in the big city. My mother never married again, and after she died most of their stuff got lost.
Growing up before cable or VCRs I couldn't watch the movie until my teens, with the arrival of the Betamax to the whole world. It struck me as a very odd western, where the leading characters were most of the time on the run, being vulnerable, and with that very civil love triangle.
Now I can see that it is a very '60s western. I found a little echo of Jules and Jim (one of my favorite films ever) in that lifelong friendship / love triangle. Its no so much about being a gunman as about being outside of society, stealing from the rich, singing in the rain and riding a bicycle. Of course, you have to die young for it. It's from the same year as Easy Rider, another (arguably much better) movie about running to stand still.
In 1994 the Macedonian movie Before the Rain won the Gold Lion in Venice and I went to see it at the theater. It's about a war photographer from the Balkans, but the director slipped in a little homage scene where the protagonist rides a bike to the famous tune.
Every time I found a new piece about that movie I smile and think back of that LP and that summer. So thanks again.
[A wonderful memory story, Francisco, thanks. --Mike]
Posted by: Francisco Cubas | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 02:22 PM
He may have been the "Sundance Kid" but in this photo he looks like he might be Butch Cassidy's accountant.
Posted by: Mark C Rouleau | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 03:12 PM
I rewatched the movie only last year and spent an hour researching the trio afterwards, yet I couldn’t name the couple. Memories keep falling out my head
Posted by: Sean | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 03:36 PM
They were real people?????
Posted by: MikeR | Monday, 04 December 2023 at 09:32 PM
That's a great self-portrait by Herman Krieger. Thank you, Mr. Krieger. For those who don't know, Mr. Krieger, at age 98, is a senior member of Mike Johnston's community.
Posted by: Mani Sitaraman | Tuesday, 05 December 2023 at 01:53 AM
Cousin marriage: there was a story recently in The Guardian, reporting that cousin marriage among the south Asian population of Bradford (in West Yorkshire, UK) had 'fallen sharply' in the last 10 years; many reasons are cited for this fall.
While looking for this recent Guardian article on-line I found another one, from 2019, reporting that cousin marriages were 'a significant factor in child deaths' among the Bradford south Asian population. Interesting and relevant, therefore, that your Mennonite lady referred to marrying a distant cousin - I suppose the greater the cousin distance, the less the chance of problems with children. (And would I be right in supposing that the Mennonite community would document family ties both thoroughly and accurately?)
[I don't know for how long, but they seem to be well aware of the inbreeding problem. One might imagine with the aid of some quiet family tragedies, perhaps? A Mennonite lecturer at the Historical Society told us that most of the 700+ families in our area are descended from the same seven original families who first came to the area in the 1970s. They multiply quickly--my friend Alvin had 54 grandchildren at last count, and several are already of marrying age. And he's not much older than I am, maybe younger. Another Mennonite neighbor, Adam, said of his people, "they're pushin' up against the lakes now," meaning that land for expanding the communities is getting scarce, which may be reflected in more of them finding alternatives to farming for making a living. The relatedness is reflected in the limited number of surnames in the area. As I understand it, young people are being bussed to other more distant Mennonite communities for socializing, to encourage them to find mates who are less closely related. My unfortunately short-term housekeeper, Jen, an uncommonly beautiful 18-year-old at the time--really a lovely girl--promptly married a young man from down in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and moved there. --Mike]
Posted by: Tom Burke | Tuesday, 05 December 2023 at 02:43 AM
It is unjust, but I have to think about the famous picture of the hot young Stalin. (just google hot young Stalin if you do not know what I mean.)
Posted by: Anton Wilhelm Stolzing | Tuesday, 05 December 2023 at 09:04 AM
Mike,
There is an old country song that celebrates(?) this sort of behaviour…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmFPEuCL9G4&list=OLAK5uy_nQ17Xoqoj1fCbZX3OAT9ERmyHWk-kXgEU&index=2
This was one of two songs that my old dad tried to remember when he was busy dying.
The other one was Life get’s teejus by Peter Lind Hayes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuvRm7uVvcQ
Ain’t Youtube amazin’?
Posted by: Stephen Jenner | Wednesday, 06 December 2023 at 04:08 AM
I seem to remember that Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid and Etta went to Bolivia in the movie, not to Argentina.
[Thanks Carsten. I changed the post to reflect that. --Mike]
Posted by: Carsten Bockermann | Thursday, 07 December 2023 at 03:22 AM