How do Michael and Paula reconcile with the people who paid full price for their work? Will offering prints at such a low price bring the value of all their prints down? And what happens when someone tries to sell the 'cheap' print in the future—will there be a note in the bill of sale stating the buyer originally paid only 1/10th the value? I hope they do well in their sale, but these are all questions that need to be addressed.
That's maybe a more complicated set of questions than you might think, Gary, but I'll do my best.
First of all, none of these four pictures have ever been sold before, for any price, higher or lower than what we're offering them for. They won't ever be sold again (by the artists, I mean) after this five-day event. So to begin with, there's no chance that a previous buyer paid more than our price for one of these pictures, and no chance that someone will be sold one of these pictures for a higher price in the future. Furthermore, this sale doesn't affect the asking prices of their other prints. And finally, none of Michael and Paula's other prints are available for the same prices as these.
That's the story for the primary market, i.e., the artists themselves selling their own work for the first time. As for the secondary (resale) market, well, I happen to have no idea what the secondary markets think of Michael's or Paula's prints—whether they frequently come up for sale or not, and, if they do, whether they go for higher or lower prices than they were originally sold for, or than they would sell for if they were purchased from the photographers now. I would guess that it's impossible to generalize, because value depends on the individual picture, how many prints of that picture are available, how often one comes up for sale, how many people want it, and how much those people are willing and able to pay.
If there is any activity in a secondary market, however, generally the "provenance" of a high-volume sale like this one will be known to dealers, and the resale prices will adjust accordingly. ...Or not, if the market decides not. But no, there won't be any notation on these prints that they came from the TOP sale.
Now consider that Michael and Paula have a body of work over their lifetimes that extends to some 5,000 negatives they've made prints of. Many pictures have sold multiple times, and many have never sold once. Michael tells me that their standard practice is to make five prints of any image they like, keeping one for themselves. If the other four sell, then they print five more, and the price goes up a bit. They also raise their prices as pictures get older, mainly because they don't want to spend a lot of time printing old work. Recently, they made the decision to stop printing their old work at all—that is, no more batches of five more when the previous batch runs out. They want to put all their energies into making new work. In the case of their better-known, more popular pictures that have been printed multiple times, the prices of the last few available, if there are any, will go up considerably, some as high as $10,000.
What this means is that none of their prints are editioned—or, if you will, the "edition" limit is set when the image is retired. But as David Vestal is fond of pointing out, most photographers make fewer prints of almost all of their pictures than typical limited editions are limited to! Many of Michael and Paula's pictures—I don't know how many exactly, of course—might have sold one, two, or three times, making them more rare than most limited editions.
Volume influences rarity. Usually, rarity influences price; but not necessarily. Some photographers' best-selling and highest-priced prints are also by far their most common. Even partway through this sale, it's already obvious that these four pictures will exist in far more prints than most of Michael and Paula's other pictures do (as of yesterday, they'd sold roughly 25 prints of each picture). On the other hand, their most popular images have sold as many as 100 prints, with a number of images having sold 40 or more. Art doesn't work by supply and demand entirely. Whether these four TOP Print Offer pictures will eventually be less valuable or more valuable on the secondary market is entirely for the secondary market to decide; probably less, based on the low selling price and the relatively high number of prints made, but who can tell? In any case, a low original selling price isn't necessarily a matter of concern to the secondary market. Brett Weston used to sell "student prints" for $25—prints that were identical to his regular prints. When his work is auctioned today, no differentiation is made as to which prints originally sold for student print prices and which for regular prices.
As to how previous buyers of their work might feel about this sale, well, you'd have to ask them! But it depends on a lot of things. It depends on who the previous buyers are and why they bought their own print or prints. Most people buy prints for the pleasure of ownership, not the promise of deferred financial reward. If the previous buyer was a museum, they could care less about our sale, because museums seldom deaccession work and most don't speculate in the art market in any case (and this isn't a trivial clientele, either...Michael and Paula have actively marketed to museums, and their work is in more than 140 collections, far more than is the case with most photographers). The worst case would be a pure investor who might worry that a lower-cost offering would dilute the value of his or her own holdings. But even that goes both ways, because a popular sale like this one might actually serve to promote the artists and generate more interest in their work. Who knows?
Finally, I might point out that there's nothing stopping any of their previous buyers from buying one of these. Maybe they'd be delighted to add another Smith or Chamlee to their existing ones at a bargain price. As I said, you'd have to ask them—and you'd probably get a variety of answers.
Clear as mud? Sorry for the long reply. As I said, it's a complicated set of questions.
Mike
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Nikhil Ramkarran: "I can speak only for myself, but I participate in these print sales (when I can) because of the print technique and the aesthetics, in roughly equal measure. I own a platinum print from one of the best platinum printers, and a great photographer. Soon I will own a great silver contact print from one of the best printers, and great photographer. And best of all, I can own these great pieces of art and craft because the prices are affordable for me. I'll let the artists worry about dilution of their market, if they think it is something worth worrying about. Right now, I'm looking at Carl Weese's beautiful print on my office wall (directly opposite my desk, where all my favourite art hangs, making being in the office tolerable...just), and can't wait until Paula Chamlee's is hanging next to it."
PWP (partial comment—for PWP's complete comment, please see the Comments section): "I'll chime in as a current owner of several Michael and Paula prints. It doesn't bother me a bit that the TOP print sale prints are selling for less than I paid for mine; in fact, I think it's a wonderful opportunity for others to own some of their work. The prints I bought were chosen carefully because I love the subject matter. I also bought one of their Azo Portfolios to help fund the Azo replacement paper that Michael helped develop. I don't care about the secondary market because I love my prints and will never sell them (my heirs will have to deal with that if they choose)."
I've looked at all of Mike's points quite thoroughly over a number of years. Conclusion: Do things that seem to make good sense and sleep soundly. I've seen Michael and Paula prints in person. I'm buying one each to have them on our wall. YMMV.
Posted by: John Sarsgard | Tuesday, 29 January 2013 at 09:07 PM
I think the confusing issue is the way the prints were marketed as :
".... (normally $3,500) are available for $350 each, one-tenth of the usual price;"
I know you didn't say as much, but I think a lot of people might have read this as "these prints are worth $3,500, but as TOP readers you get them for 1/10th the price". Someone else might read it as "..but these prints are only worth $350".
Of course you don't need to be a TOP reader to avail yourself of the offer - anyone visiting Michael and Paulas website will see the prints for sale on the front page. Mike deserves credit for facilitating the sale, of course
Posted by: Richard Tugwell | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 01:06 AM
Dear Mike,
If I may further muddy the waters [grin] …
It's pretty much impossible to say what the value of these prints will be in the future. First of all, “supply” in the world of photographic art isn't how many prints of a photograph exist, but how many people are willing to sell them. In the case of this TOP sale, I would be very surprised if many of the buyers would be willing to part with their prints at the price they paid for them, given that they could not possibly replace them with comparable work at a remotely similar price. I can see it happening in the case of serious financial distress or someone deciding later that they just don't happen to like the photograph, but that's not a common occurrence. Given that the people buying here know that they're getting a huge bargain, a not-to-be-repeated opportunity, I think you'd have to pay a pretty hefty premium to convince them to part with the photograph.
How much of a premium? Well, that's what determines the market value for the work on the supply side. It's pretty safe to say it's going to be somewhere north of the selling price of $250/$350 … and somewhere south of $10 million (I think every buyer here would happily sell their print for that much).
But then there's the demand side. If there are no collectors interested in that photograph, the market value is zero. If there are fewer collectors interested than there are people willing to sell, the market value can be pretty low. If the opposite happens to be true, it can be rather high.
I'm with John on this. People should do whatever makes sense to them and lets them sleep comfortably, because there's no way to suss this out. This is not work anyone should buy as an investment because there's no way to assess the risk/profit equation. In 10 years you could have a photograph that's worth $400… except you can't find a buyer for it. Or you could have a photograph that's worth $40,000 and collectors are beating on your door. Or somewhere in between.
Don't worry, be happy, buy art.
For what extremely little it's worth, my occasional sales here on TOP have had no detectable effect on my sales outside of TOP. I have a portfolio of approximately 400 photographs for sale, year-round, year after year. Roughly 10 of those have been made available for sale on TOP, for never-to-be-repeated time spans of less than a week. You wouldn't expect there to be an impact. Most people don't buy a Ctein (or a Michael or a Paula) simply for the sake of owning a Ctein, they buy a particular photograph they like. And they buy when they like it; they don't sit around hoping that some year that particular photograph will go on sale.
pax \ Ctein
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Posted by: ctein | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 03:18 AM
Mike,
This post on art pricing is worthy of a thesis or dissertation in economics or finance. Except that the data gathering part will be very difficult. However, you've raised a chockful of talking points for modelers or theoreticians to mull over.
Below are a few "tags" that I think are apposite to this very engaging article:
law of one price (When products are identical, that is.)
price discrimination (Why Michael & Paula's print sale ain't.)
Hotelling's lemma (What producers do given profit maximization assumptions.)
backward bending supply curve (What Carl Weese's print sale shudda been.)
Slutsky effects (Income and substitution effects of a price drop.)
Pareto optimality ("win, win, win")
time preference (For the pure investor only.)
assymmetric information(No longer applicable because of this blog post.)I wish my interest in this print sale were more than theoretical...:(
Posted by: Sarge | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 04:30 AM
Maybe an answer could be derived from the results of previous TOP print sales. Would any of the previous photographers, whose prints were offered through TOP, be willing to talk about this?
Posted by: Christoph Grabmayr | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 06:47 AM
That was a stunning answer to Gary's questions. Clear, to the point and informative. :-)
Posted by: John Driggers | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 08:28 AM
I'm sorry, Mike, but here are some more awkward questions on this subject.
How does a photographer decide on a price for their work? If I am a photographer who has never sold a framed or mounted photo before, which I pretty much am, where do I start?
I’ve looked at the prices photographers ask for work on the web, and there’s a huge range of prices; I don’t know if they’ve plucked a figure out of the air, if they actually sell any (are they at the right sort of price to sell?) or what difference it should make to sell a photo over the web, from a gallery, or the wall of the local cafe.
What about the media used? Should inkjet prints and silver prints be differently priced?
I’d be quite pleased to sell a print at, say, $350 (£222), like Michael’s prints in the sale, but I am sure that any prospective buyer of my photos would be saying, “Roger who?”
Does it make much difference which country I am in? I'm in England.
I used to be pretty good at estimating prices for fire alarm systems and the like, but there are no intangibles like reputation or artistic merit involved in pricing. I do appreciate that cost of materials and time must have something to do with pricing photos.
I'm not looking for an absolute figure, just some method of calculation!
Posted by: Roger Bradbury | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 08:51 AM
I'll chime in as a current owner of several Michael and Paula prints. It doesn't bother me a bit that the TOP print sale prints are selling for less than I paid for mine, in fact, I think it's a wonderful opportunity for others to own some of their work. The prints I bought were chosen carefully because I love the subject matter. I also bought one of their Azo Portfolios to help fund the Azo replacement paper that Michael helped develop. I don't care about the secondary mkt because I love my prints and will never sell them (my heirs will have to deal with that if they choose).
I should add that M & P's prints are simply exquisite; true works of art that you can hold in your hand and treasure. No one who buys these prints would have reason to be disappointed in their quality. I also very much admire M & P's dedication to their craft and art. Michael has basically spent his life photographing with a large format camera and they both have a wonderful body of work.
Posted by: PWP | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 11:20 AM
With respect, I think Gary's question is massively irrelevant. They are prints not investments (which by the way, like house prices can go down as well as up). His concern with resale prices and the suggestion of a disclosure means he is worried about people who bought wholly or partly with an eye on resale value. If so, then more fool them.
Posted by: Ed | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 12:20 PM
My TOP print offer three years ago sent 240 platinum prints and a hundred or so inkjet versions of the same negatives all over the world. Nikhil's sweet mention that one of these brightens the office is more or less what I hope a lot of them are doing. It had no effect on my gallery sales.
Last year I did a Kickstarter project to help finance the completion of my American Drive-in Theater project. The KS "Rewards" were prints (inkjet, not platinum) that Sponsors got for much less than they would cost as a gallery sale, not that different from the TOP print sale model. When the project went ballistic on the first day (largely because of a big plug at TOP) my primary dealer called to say that she had a presentation coming up to a couple in a fantastic West Side Manhattan apartment, and she wanted to, ahem, change our price. She met with them, showed the actual prints, my website, the Kickstarter project, and closed the deal on two 7x17 platinum prints. At the new price. The clients were not only not deterred, but accelerated by the popular success of inexpensive prints to acquire the rare, hand made print by the artist in platinum. Just sayin'....
Posted by: carlweese | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 06:40 PM
It seems to me that if I like an art work, and it will give me pleasure in my home, and I can afford the purchase price: then to buy that piece of art is well worth considering. I've no plan of reselling. Why would I, when the art was purchased for my enjoyment?
There's the added good feeling, buying directly from living artists, of supporting them in the creation of yet more art. That's the beauty of TOP print sales.
The re-sale or secondary market has only limited interest for me. At the "stratospheric price" end, it is about gambling -- oh yes, that's meant to be "investment" -- and trophies to display to "friends".
Posted by: Thingo | Wednesday, 30 January 2013 at 10:40 PM