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Monday, 10 March 2025

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I can remember when test charts versus (percieved) real world results caused an uproar in the photography community when Popular Photography magazine in '94 reviewed the then current pre-aspheric Leica Summilux M lenses, the 35mm, 50mm and 75mm models. They tested horribly. According to the charts, they were unusable until f/4 and only for small prints. This of course led to a barrage of letters saying how many people were getting great results from these lenses, and Leica users could be thin skinned when the brand isn't being praised as "the best". I was one of those people.

I'm sure these lenses tested bad, and that today they have been eclipsed by even moderately priced third party lenses, but I'm also sure that they gave great results for people that did't know how to read a test chart/graph, but just took pictures.

I'm sure some Leica aficionado would buy that 1.500.000 lens (plus bespoke adapter of course).

Oh no! All my lenses are crap!

In the old days, Herbert Keppler used to display some manner of MTF charts in his lens tests in Modern (or was it Popular?) Photography magazines.

My way of eyeballing MTF was like this. The Column shows the sharpness in lines per mm. The higher the better. The bottom Row was distance from the center, starting with 0 in the low left.

I stand corrected in my primitive and uneducated manner of studying these charts. Conclusion in this Tessar chart: The Tessar centers are sharper than the more expensive multi-elements lenses.

If I recall correctly, Kodak used a molded plastic aspheric lens in their Disc format cameras, starting in about 1982. Tiny lens, tiny format, a cellphone sized camera- a failure only because it was about 30 years ahead of its time.

The number of lines resolved at an acceptable contrast across the entire image at a lens aperture that gives you adequate depth of field to actually focus on something is the number that counts in my opinion.

About 10 years ago, I was on a quest to get the most detailed landscape photographs possible, and I was running into the limitation of not being able to get the foreground at approximately 3/4 of a mile and the background at approximately 30 miles acceptably sharp.
Mind you, this was on composite images that were about 50 exposures wide, printed at about 40 feet wide.

The spy satellites have it easy. No DOF to worry about, and the atmosphere is not in the way mostly.

I remember reading at the time, that the lenses for the Kodak disc camera where the sharpest lenses Kodak had made, and that the disk film likewise was a high point of Kodak technology.
Of course the entire system was designed to get marginally acceptable images with the least amount of film in a format that was protected by patent so that nobody but Kodak could process it.

[That was the problem with APS film, too. Kodak optimized it for their own interests, but forgot to include a reason why the customer should use it. It basically gave the same thing to the consumer that he/she was already getting, but with more profit and convenience for Kodak. I, of course, wrote a letter to Kodak saying that if they were going to introduce a new film format, they should make one LARGER than 35mm as well. Because, really, what they were trying to do was drive people away from 24x36mm. That letter probably ended up in a place of honor in the mail room behind a radiator. But hey, I tried. --Mike]

Ok, but look at how far you are out from the center; the cell phone goes out to 2.5mm - look at the Leica at 3mm!

I remember reading that the tiny lenses Kodak produced were originally made for use in their range of Disc cameras.
After the Disc cameras flopped Kodak had no more use for them and sold off the tech.
Whoops!

Every disposable camera also has a molded plastic aspherical lens. Maybe just one or two elements, but light-years better than the meniscus lenses that were in cheap box cameras. Kodak missed the boat on the potential patent revenue from this market as well.

[I don't think so...plastic aspherical lenses were easier, and many companies knew how to do that. Some of the early aspherical elements in good lenses were "hybrid" elements, which meant a glass element with an aspherical plastic layer bonded to it, by what means I do not know. It went from being a sales feature that appealed to consumers to being a kiss of death once enthusiasts figured out what the term meant. Leica was making handmade aspherical lenses, which, according to the rumor, only one employee could produce at the rate of two per month. I believe Nikon then followed suite, but I don't recall exactly. These lenses were very expensive and only used in "statement" products at first. Kodak was the first to figure out how to make press-molded aspherics in volume, but they had to be tiny--they didn't know how to scale them up in size. Canon was the first company to figure out how to mass-produce glass aspherical elements big enough to use in camera lenses, but they were small at first and had a high rejection rate. At one point, even Leica was using a Canon-sourced aspherical element in at least one of its lenses (pretty sure Leica would deny this, Canon too, but my source, within Canon, was good). Kodak's failure was in not seeing that its invention might have value in the future. Eventually small-diameter aspheric lenses would be used in CD and DVD players, as Hugh mentioned, and later in mobile phone camera modules. Just going from memory here, I didn't research any of this anew. --Mike]

Thank you for this entry.
Sure, some lenses test better than others. Perhaps markedly so.
My question is "to what extent do the charts reflect actual results as seen on my monitor"?
I've wondered how those inexpensive (for now) lenses from China (measure) compare to those from the Japanese mmfg's.

I do not believe the MTF chart for the Leica Q 43mm. While it is widely accepted that the manufacturers all (except for Zeiss) supply aspirational (computer simulated) MTF charts, this one strains my credulity.

One commenters mentioned the importance of seeing the output of the lens on their monitor as opposed to just looking at MTF charts. While this is an important point, consider too that what you see on your monitor if viewed at smaller than 100% or 1:1 pixel-for-pixel (where every pixel in your photo is mapped to exactly 1 pixel on your monitor), then you may be seeing the effects of the operating system or display program's downsampling algorithm rather than what the camera captured. Often these algorithms are optimized for speed and perhaps memory usage instead of quality, so looking at a photo made smaller by your OS so it can fit on your monitor isn't a good way to judge image quality.

So it's really important to use a high quality downsampler, like Photoshop's, for the final display size to match your monitor's native resolution and size if you want to judge your photos on your monitor. If you print your photos, and prepare them carefully, then you are using a high quality downsampler already, which is another reason to judge image quality carefully only in print form.

". . . . cutaway of a Zeiss/Nokia Tessar phone camera lens, in which you can see the extreme and bizarre asphericity of the elements."

Bizarre agreed.

Additionally, I suspect the lower 3 elements have features ("bumps") molded in to provide element-to-element spacing. Precise, and requires no additional parts. So simplifies manufacturing.

The best lens I own. I don’t know. Now that I’m retired and I don’t have to care about crystal sharpness and perfect perspective my personal work has gotten more, um, experimental and strange. My wife and daughter keep asking me if I’m ok.

Anyway, on my Leica M240 I use a 1946 Summitar 50/2 and a 1953 Summaron 35/3.5. On my Nikon Df I’m using all my Nikkor lenses from the 70’s and 80’s. I also use a camera with no lens at all: a hand-built pinhole camera.

It’s glorious fun.

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