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Monday, 03 March 2025

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The most expensive current Noctilux is not even a 50mm. And bigger and heavier, too.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1378902-REG/leica_11676_noctilux_m_75mm_f_1_25_asph.html/reviews

Often you read that a normal lens has the same angle of view as the human eye. That is nonsense of course because our vision is much wider than what we see through a standard lens. Normal means that there's zero wide angle distortion and zero trace of compression of the image because of a telephoto effect. I always use the diagonal to calculate the focal length of the normal lens. That works for me, but I never found the scientific explanation for it. In other words, can anybody proof why a 43mm lens on full frame gives us no distortion at all?

If you like 50mm lenses, you'll find it difficult to decide between the Zeiss Milvus and the Sigma ART (both f/1.4). The Sigma has the advantage of being bigger and heavier, but the Zeiss might win because it's more expensive.

I'm a really big fan of 50 mm lenses - including my 1973 Summicron 40/2.0 (when mounted on my 2006 Leica M8). Or My Zuiko 50/1.8. Or my 45/2.8 Nikkor-P. Or...

What I am not a big fan of, though, is all the people who use the term "135mm film". Argh.

Out of step again?

I thought lenses were about the qualities of the photos they take — and those they allow me to take.

The Oly 25/1.2 is huge, compared to the 25/1.8. Yet, when I decide on a "normal" prime, it's always the f1.2. It simply makes better pictures.

Waaaay back, in the early '70s, I fell in love with the original Olympus OM-1 when it was introduced. I let my Nikon Ftn go and bought one.

I should have paid more attention to the bundled normal lenses. Lacking much money, I went with the Oly 50/1.8, and — it was noticeably crappy, compared to the Nikkor 50/2 I'd been using.

My dad had the first Nikon zoom, 43-86, and it was pretty crummy, too. Fortunately, the Oly 35-70 soon came out, solved my problem, and started me off as a zoom guy.

It's about the pictures, Stu!

(Later Oly 50/1.4s were excellent.)

Those Noctilux lenses are, indeed, magnificent. But they are so big, they block a percentage of the rangefinder view. So do you need to use them with the clip on EVF finder? If so, why bother with a M camera? It's perplexing.

The fetish of collecting the biggest, largest aperture, most expensive lens is not really about photography at all. Those lenses don't offer any true advantage for photograph-making, and in many ways they interfere with it.

I, too, hear that collecting them is a thing. It is hard to imagine why. One might as logically collect the world's largest hamburger, the very smallest pea, the longest pencil...

My favourite “big honkin’ normal”, purely for absurdity, is the Canon 50/0.95 “dream lens”, a lens that makes zero sense on any level other than marketing.

It’s not particularly good optically wide open (and which goon buys an f/0.95 lens to shoot at f/8?); it has a lens mount that is only supported by one camera (the Canon 7); it is so physically wide it blocks the best part of 1/4 of the viewfinder on the only camera designed to use it (which also doesn’t have an accessory shoe for an external viewfinder!); and designing the camera to support that one front-heavy lens meant the strap lugs are in the wrong place for the camera to hang level with any more practical lens (it tilts backwards and stabs you in the side constantly).

Honestly, look at the article Blue Moon Camera wrote about it - https://bluemooncameracodex.com/technical-reviews/living-with-the-canon-50mm-f095-dream-lens - and tell me that is in any way a practical and sensible arrangement. Absolutely ludicrous.

I needed this article! Now, every time I start daydreaming about a 50mm f/1.2, I can imagine James Cagney or Edward G. Robinson telling me to "shaddup!" and get my head on straight! This might just give me the inner strength I need!

If there's one thing that the switch from film to digital has done for me, it's that maximum aperture means less than it did. In your previous post, you had a photo of the 135mm f/2 Ai-S Nikkor, which I coincidentally own. Why? Because I was in Thailand trying to shoot a Thai Boxing match with my 200mm f/4 Nikkor on my FE2 which had ASA 400 speed film loaded and I could not get anywhere near the minimum hand holding speed. As soon as I got back to Japan, I bought the 135mm f/2 because like you say, "I wanted to be ready for anything." Two extra stops of light, great.

Today, I use my slow 55mm-200mm on my crop sensor Fuji and simply crank up the ISO. I wish I had that capability in the '80s, and my lenses selection would be simpler, smaller and cheaper. And I'd still be "ready for anything" without the current crop of monstrously large normal primes.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post. I will confess that I am the right age. Though to me a normal lens on 135 film is 35mm, because I feel it’s more about a plausible sense of space than accurate perspective.

[Me too Charles, although I marginally prefer 40mm best because of the Minolta M-Rokkor 40mm f/2 and the Olympus Zuiko 40mm ƒ/2. --Mike]

I enjoy this kind of article, drawing from your deep photography knowledge. And very well written. BTW, spellcheck unfortunately substituted "manner" for "manor."

[No, I meant "manner." Both are acceptable, and both work, but:

"Though I am native here
And to the manner born, it is a custom
More honor'd in the breach than the observance." --Hamlet, Act I Scene IV.

--Mike]

I have not found larger lens size to reliably equate to better photography and image quality, and that's across M 4/3, APS-C, full frame, and large format cameras.

Among the most consistently sharp lenses I've ever used are my two 20mm/f1.7 Panasonic normal lenses for Micro Four/Thirds. Both have excellent sharpness and even illumination to the corners, despite the petite dimensions.

The 20/1.7 is equivalent to a 40mm lens on "full-frame", but as a "pancake" lens is small and light, handling very nicely on a compact Olympus Pen-F body.

I find that my more common challenge is ensuring sufficient depth of sharp focus, not minimizing the zone of sharp focus. So, I've never missed that half-stop from f/1.4 and my Leica-Panasonic 25mm/f/1.4 usually sits home.

Similarly, when deciding upon a full-frame moderate wide-angle lens for my Pentax K-1 II, I tested a Sigma ART 35mm/f 1.4 side-by-side with a significantly smaller though more expensive Pentax 31mm/f 1.8 Limited lens.

The smaller Pentax lens produced essentially identical sharpness and more pleasing image quality. I purchased the Pentax 31mm Limited and have never regretted buying that smaller lens.

My favorite normal - a lens I could live with as my "forever" lens if I had to choose to only shoot with one lens from now on - is my 1937 uncoated & collapsible Zeiss Sonnar. It was made for Contax rangefinder, adjusted by an optical engineer to Nikon rangefinder standard for my Nikon S2 (that now needs repair) and I use it currently on my Leica M 240 with an Amedeo Nikon to M adapter. A simply glorious lens that is an exquisite example of the lens makers art. I have a lovely Nikkor 50/1.4 & 2.0 as well but there is something ineffable about the Zeiss that leaves it my favorite out of my many 50mm lenses.

My favorite normal is also around 40mm, hence my current choice for fuji APSC - the wonderful Voitglander X 27 f/2. A small gem of a lens.

When I last spoke to Malcolm Taylor [in 2023 I think] he was still working, although he must be well over 80 years old. If you telephone him, be prepared for a long, fascinating call.

My normal lens. Ie. the one that is on my camera most of the time in the EF 24-105 zoom. And it is hardly ever set to 50 mm. Portraits and closeups need to be longer and scenic vistas need to be wider or occasionally longer. After years of being stuck with only a 50 mm lens
I like having the ability to make choices.

As an aside:

" is now called "full frame," a term which is a status claim and doesn't make sense any other way"

"by the late 1960s to become the most popular photographic film size. (Wikipedia.)"

And that's why it's called "full frame". The 35 mm film size was "normal" for the general public. (It has nothing to do with the film size. If that were true, 120 would still be considered "full frame" since it's bigger. The main reason for calling a digital sensor "full frame", that I see, was that it finally matched the size of the film negative we were used to.)

I was surprised that Wikipedia said 35 mm film [only] surpassed 120 film by the late '60s. Then I thought about all the 126-size Instamatics (and imitations) that were common in the '60s. Kodak and others sold a bunch of those. How iconic the Instamatic with flash cube attached.
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So, the Pentax 43mm Limited is now a kit lens. 😳

Thank goodness they weren't limited in number because I may never had had a chance to buy one.

I wasn't sure if the 43 mm focal length would seem a "little off" to me, compared to a 50 mm, but I didn't really notice the difference. (I guess those 40 mm lenses aren't so wide-angle as I previously thought.)

Thank goodness Pentax kept 1.9 and 1.8 as the aperture for these lenses. They're less expensive that the newer "cost no object" 50 mm lenses, yet have metal bodies to remind us of how it used to be -- with exception of the focusing feel, of course.

Mike I need you writing in this mood more often. This was an absolute hoot!!

I've recently become a bit excited about the 40mm focal length (on 24x36, of course). A nice quality, small 40mm prime lens would be something I'd want. However...a superb quality 40mm, f/1.4 lens that's six inches long and weighs over 1 kilogram is not something I want.

I’m a big fan of the normal lens — at one point I owned 36 different 50mm lenses just in Leica M and screw mounts. But my all-time favorite is still the Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 L, thigh mine hasn’t tasted film in lo! these many years….

My first experience with 4x5 was a press camera sporting a 135mm lens which was considered normal. Other press cameras shipped with 127mm lenses. I was given to understand that the shorter focal length provided an advantage in close quarters but this may be baloney.
Brooks Institute required incoming students to buy a monorail 4x5 with at least a 210mm lens. The reasoning being that a shorter lens did not throw enough of an image circle for serious camera movements.
I guess normal is kind of a moving target

I am travelling in the opposite direction. Just ordered the relatively tiny Sony 24mm f2.8, which will be glued most of the time to my A6700, which in turn fits into my jacket pocket.

Concidentally, after many residential moves recently.. I rediscovered my treasured M3, which I thought lost, sitting in a box at my sister's house.

And it has a standard 40mm lens attached. (I know Mike prefers the Rokkor, but...)

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t9x0nk27mqhmv4go1axbb/IMG_0399.jpg?rlkey=klzt7dhcckc4efmggom93at54&st=y274grdk&dl=0

I “came of age” photographically with a Super-Takumar 55 mm f/1.8, and generally prefer my “normal” lens on the longer side. I am currently a big fan of the Panasonic 30 mm f/2.8 “macro” lens on m43, and I really like the look of photos taken with the little Nikkor 45 mm f2.8 (P) Tessar-derivative on APS-C sensors. Perhaps it reflects on my poor composition ability, but slight isolation of the subject seems to produce better photos.

Mike, loved your essay!! Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading somewhere, years ago, that there were tax issues that led to manufacturers putting out odd focal length lenses like 53, 55, 58mm. Was there a tax on a kit lenses below 50mm? I'm not sure.
MLMD

That Pentax 43mm lens is a lovely lens. I sold one and I think I should buy it again. Designed, I think, by Jun Harawira before Pentax let him go and he moved to Tamron. It's rumoured that Jun Harawira took up the challenge to design a small normal lens with rendering which was as good as or btter than what Leica offered.

Many years ago, when I used to shoot with film, I thought an f1.4 50mm lens was necessary because sometimes i would step into a building and want to take a photograph, and the extra stop came in handy. Also, the wider lens made the viewfinder brighter in an SLR and made it easier to focus. Nowadays, with digital, an f2.0 lens is more than enough or even an f2.8 because you can always just adjust the ISO when you step indoors. Any ambient noise can always be adjusted or eliminated with software. This is all academic however because none of this has anything to do with what makes a photograph interesting. Over the years, I have used cheap knock-offs to 1.4 Summilux's. In most cases, one can hardly see any difference with the naked eye, and in some cases, a cheap lens can even enhance a photograph because of its optical faults.

For what it's worth, in the Nikon world, the Z 50/1.2 S lens mentioned in an earlier post here is shown on Nikon's website with example studio portraits and video. Studio portraits can obviously be made into whatever is desired provided they are captured with the necessary resolution. I suspect though that many of us forget about all the brands moving into video, and there are now two Red models having Z-mounts. I have no experience with shooting high resolution video, so I have no idea what the capabilities of a modern large prime like the Z 50/1.2 offer to a film maker. My guess would be headroom with resolution while working with the aperture restrictions encountered.

I'll also say the 45 MP sensors in the Nikons seem to make the limitations of the older Nikkors pretty obvious. I still like mine for what I do, and I suspect their characteristics could prove interesting for film makers wanting a specific soft style, but some of my nice old Nikkors don't hold up all that well at large magnifications. And that's for photographs, whereas I've found my Z 24-70/4 S zoom to be very good. Progress happens. I have to think the 4k motion picture capture possible with the Red cameras is very demanding.

I do have an AiS 50/1.2. I'm tempted to rent a Z 50/1.2 S and compare the two for myself. When considered as a motion picture camera lens, that Z 50/1.2 doesn't seem so huge.

Dartmouth - no way. Wisconsin was/is the King.

The reason that I have so many normal lenses is that:
They are cheap (some of them)

They often have "personality"; for example, I have that Yashica lens in the advertisement and it is perfectly fine when it is stopped down but wide open it's like a first date that ends up after a long night with your couch on fire and an apartment full of strangers. That sort of personality.

Lots of them came on cameras in the "collection". I have 4 Argus C3s somehow. Their lenses are quite lovely BTW

I have even more not-normal lenses. I really can't resist anything that refracts light.

Also, about all those fast 50s. In the manual-focus SLR era, you needed a fast lens with shallow depth of field to focus accurately, but you really wanted to stop down two stops to make the exposure because most of them were awful wide open. Or wonderful, depending on your taste for eccentricity. Anyway, there are a LOT of 50mm lenses that were never intended to be used wide open, which of course makes them fun to use wide open. The Nikkor 58mm f/1.2 is a particularly fine example of bonkers coma wide open and fine performance at 3.5.

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