My apologies, but I've been sensitized. I was the editor of a technical photography magazine for six years. Depth-of-field (DoF) is a subject that is deeply beloved of wannabe photo-tech writers, and few things could create instantaneous dismay deep in my editor's heart like opening a submission and finding yet another beautifully prepared, extensive, arcane article on DoF. DoF is perhaps the ultimate hell of photo-tech—graspable enough so many people think they can understand it (or think they should!), complex enough so that very few really can. Whenever the subject really gets going, great reams of material are spewed forth "explaining" it, always—always—strewn with considerable content that happens not to be true. Assuming any given reader engages with said great mass of verbal matter, he comes out the other side usually no more enlightened, and possibly considerably more confused. Finally, add to those conditions the simple fact that a technical understanding of DoF is not required for the successful practice of photography, and you begin to appreciate the extent of my exasperation with the subject.
(By the way, the other day I finally figured out why "grammar police" types can seem to be so fussy and cross. It's because they keep correcting the World, and the World keeps making the same mistakes anyway. If you tell your child three times to hang up the wet towel in the bathroom and he doesn't, you're not that irritated. When you've told him 700 times and you still come into the bathroom and find the damp towel in a moldy pile on the counter, you might well be incensed. So do you see my point? No matter how many times I remind people that "loose" is the opposite of "tight" and "lose" is the opposite of "win," people are still going to misspell it—because it's different people all the time, and there are an inexhaustible supply of them. It's like having 40,000 children, each one of whom needs to be trained to hang up the towel. The first three people I correct, I'm perfectly calm. By the 700th, I'm about to "loose" my mind. Anyway, you see the problem: educate one photographer about DoF, or ten, or a hundred—at however great a cost of time and effort—and you still have numberless millions to go. It's Sisyphean.)
The above two paragraphs are from my article "Depth-of-Field Hell," from 2009. Ctein contacted me privately the other day and cracked, "It's DoF Hell Part III!" Ctein gave you his links the other day, but these are the links he listed in 2015:
What's a 'Fast Lens'?, by Mike
Depth-of-Field Hell, by Mike
Depth-of-Field Hell, the Sequel, by Ctein
The Practical Side of Depth of Field, by Ctein
It's useless, though. Trying to fight the falsehood of "equivalent aperture" (EA) is as hopeless as telling your kid for the 701st time to hang up the wet towel and expecting a different result from the first 700 times. I even had a photography instructor(!!) tell me once that he knew EA was wrong but he taught it anyway because his students found it easy to grasp. [*Smacks forehead*.] We ought to teach children that stars are much tinier than the moon. That would be a good thing to teach them because it's so easy for them to grasp.
Yes, it's true that people are describing real things when they talk about EA. But EA is not the reason for those things and it is not the correct explanation. The fact that it's the wrong theory to describe what people are trying to talk about should count for something.
This will probably annoy a few people, but I'm sorry, I think it's true, even if it's not true of you. I personally think the equivalent aperture fallacy mainly exists because it relates to status and prestige. It's usefulness for many (not all) of those who promulgate it is in asserting that one can achieve shallower DoF with a "full-frame" (FF) camera than others can using smaller-sensor cameras even if the latter have the same speed or slightly faster lenses. ("My FF ƒ/1.4 lens is better than your Micro 4/3 ƒ/1.2 lens.") At root it's a way of showing off a claimant's ownership of expensive equipment, and there's not really much more to it than that.
Three assertions in support of this contention: First, I've observed (over many years of observing) that EA is almost always asserted (not always, so don't take offense, please) as an argument against smaller-than-FF sensors, and of the superiority of FF sensors and fast lenses. Second, people seldom point out that you can get even shallower DoF with larger-than-FF formats. The reason for the latter is probably because shallow DoF isn't actually the point. Showing that one's camera is cooler and mo bettah and more he-man than gnarly liddle-sensor cameras and baby zooms is the point. Third are all those people who shoot wide open all the time even when they shouldn't, getting important areas of the image (like the dog's nose) out of focus even when more DoF would be better for the picture.
All of the EA adherents' assumptions also depend on the proposition that where depth-of-field is concerned, shallower is better. This is exactly contrary to how most photographers have felt over most of the history of photography. It's perfectly easy to turn that around and say something like: 4/3 sensors are more ideal because it's easier to get more DoF.
Of course there's no such thing as focal-length equivalency either; it's really angle-of-view equivalency we're talking about there. This might help EA proponents, though: consider that a maximum aperture value is a stable characteristic of a camera lens even when the lens is not attached to a camera. Even when it's not in front of any particular sensor. Even when pictures do not enter into it at all.
In every case, when someone asserts that a lens correctly calculated and correctly marked as an ƒ/1.7, for instance, is "really" an ƒ/2.8 lens or "really" an ƒ/4 lens or whatever, that is simply wrong. We shouldn't teach it and we shouldn't promote the idea. It's wrong; an ƒ/1.7 lens is ƒ/1.7 is ƒ/1.7. If you want to say that a photograph made with it on a particular sensor looks a lot like a picture made on a different sensor with a different lens, go ahead, but it's not because the lens magically acquired different properties it didn't acquire and doesn't have. Now then, for the 702nd time, please go hang up that wet towel.
Mike
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JOHN B GILLOOLY: "Yes, to each their own. But to be completely honest, this '80% guy' commercial photographer has never been able to understand the objective obsession with depth of field. (I recognize that I am primarily a 35mm full-frame photographer and if I were shooting larger formats one might have to be more intentional.)
"Depth of field is a gradual moving target depending on the three factors of f-stop, focal length and distance from subject. When approaching every shot, one of the first questions is how much depth do I want? I can pick an f-stop and focal length that will be close to what I need and tweak from there. And now we are looking at the results immediately.
"I am a photographer who is interested in photographs. I am not really interested in using the photography as part of a math and science proof method."
Mike replies: That about sums up my approach as well. Of course more succinctly than I ever could do! :-)
Tahir Hashmi: "Regarding equivalence, Ctein is right in highlighting that from a point of view of photometry the aperture of a lens doesn't change with sensor size. E.g. an ƒ/1.7 lens needing 1/50 exposure at ISO 100 on FX sensor would need exactly the same parameters of exposure for Micro 4/3 as it would on a larger 645 sensor (assuming all other lens characteristics are the same).
"However, while there is no equivalence in exposure parameters, there is absolutely undeniably an equivalence in visual parameters, i.e. framing and depth of field. It's trivially verifiable and has been demonstrated thousands of time online.
"And it is useful.
"Since Mike talked about DoF equivalence being used by FX [i.e., full-frame —Ed.] owners to show off, let's take an example from Weegee, who shot with a Kodak 127mm Ektar on a massive 127mm x 101mm (5x4-inch) film 'sensor.' His favourite shooting apertures...ƒ/11 (longer distance) through ƒ/22 (close-ups).
"It's impractical for me to acquire a 5x4 camera today, so I must make do with my puny little 35mm sensor. Applying the equivalence math, I ought to be using a 35mm lens set to ƒ/3 through ƒ/6 or thereabouts. Seems plausible; looking at his published photos, I reckon those settings would fit.
"If I were to ignore DoF and FoV equivalence and shoot with 127mm at ƒ/22, I don't think I'd be doing close-ups anymore.
"And, oh, getting Weegee's ƒ/22 DoF on my humble iPhone...impossible! But somehow the iPhone gets everything in focus even at its ƒ/1.8 aperture.
"There is such a thing as DoF equivalence, and it shouldn't be denied. What's needed is clarity around where to apply aperture invariance (exposure calculations) and where to apply aperture equivalence (visual approximation)."
Mike replies: Okay, but let's call it DoF equivalence then, as you do here. It's not aperture equivalence. As John G. notes above, DoF is a combination of three things anyway. As an aside (not as a refutation of your points, that is), I think one thing that annoys me about EA is that the observation of effects is just so sloppy. If not missing. EA adherents seem to assume that out-of-DoF blur (bokeh) is always the same, that is it's just one effect universally and it just has to be applied, like it's a standard property that is interchangeable in every situation. An analogy from my point of view might be to assert that all singers sound the same as long as they are singing the same note. As someone who observes the effects closely, I believe that it's not only not a standard property optically, but (even) that it varies with the subject being rendered.
A good comment, though, and I take your points and respect your point of view even if we do not entirely agree.
Sean: "As a poor speller, I’ve had my collar felt by the 'grammar police' in every neighbourhood of the internet. They get quite upset when I tell them that, technically, spelling isn't grammar. A furious ‘no true Scotsman’ response often follows. Let he who is without nits...."
Mike replies: I'd never heard of "no true Scotsman" before, and thanks for that.
Here's a snippet from Wikipedia about the expression:
No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect an a-posteriori claim from a falsifying counterexample by covertly modifying the initial claim. Rather than admitting error or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, the claim is modified into an a-priori claim in order to definitionally exclude the undesirable counterexample. The modification is signaled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as 'true,' 'pure,' 'genuine,' 'authentic,' 'real,' etc.
Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an 'ad hoc rescue' of a refuted generalization attempt. The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:
Person A: 'No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.'
Person B: 'But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge.'
Person A: 'But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.'
Wonderful! "Signaled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric" made me laugh.
I like and enjoy reading and learning about fallacies even though I've found I can't memorize them and have little aptitude for applying them. (Same goes for formal logic, and for the identification of trees. Although I've always been a very good speller. It's always interesting sorting out what we are good at and what we are not, although it was more involving when I and my brain were young.)
Bear.: "DoF is really very simple and may be calculated by reference to the circle of confusion; namely, for any given field of view for any sensor (or film) size, it is a depth equal to the diameter of any given number of people confused by the concept at that time standing in a circle holding hands multiplied by the inverse of the chosen f-stop."
I solved the DOF argument years ago. I simply tell them to go read Harold Merklinger's "The Ins and Outs of Focus," then we can discuss the subject intelligently. And yes, I have an autographed copy of his book.
Posted by: John Wilson | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 01:37 PM
Don't be a loser. All those arguing f/1.7 is ƒ/1.7 conveniently forget a lens doesn't take a picture by itself. It has to be combined with a camera/sensor. And a f1.7 lens will give different results on sensors with different sizes. The rest is wordplay, or sophistry.
The same sophistry is also used by users of larger sensors: "FF has better noise and DOF control than m43." No. You have to use non-equivalent lenses to get that result.
A winner should always think and talk in terms of lens/sensor combos.
Posted by: Yuan | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 01:45 PM
The whole thing of trying to say that some aspect of an APS-C or smaller-format camera is "equivalent to" something in full-frame is just annoying. There are a number of variables involved that many of these people don't seem to be aware of, and their claimed equivalencies may be valid for one of those variables, but probably not for the others.
There is a similar phenomenon with the way people misunderstand how different focal lengths work. Someone on a photo forum (probably photo.net) once tried to argue that if you took some picture with a telephoto lens, then, without moving the camera, took a photo with a wide-angle lens (such that the wide-angle photo is centered on the same spot as the telephoto image, but has a wider field of view), then cropped the wide-angle photo down to the framing of the telephoto image, the perspective of the two images would be different because wide-angle lenses magically expand space and telephoto lenses magically compress it. He obviously hadn't tried this experiment, because he was quite wrong. The whole thing about lenses "compressing" and "expanding" space is nonsense; the effect is caused by the distance from the camera to the subject, not focal length. We tend to take telephoto images from farther away, hence the "compression" effect. Using a wider lens just gets you wider framing.
Posted by: Craig | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 02:12 PM
Back in the film days, many of us used multiple formats, and were familiar with the issue (and most of us understood it). I do not remember these types of conversations years (decades?) ago, but then, we didn't have internet forums on which to perform the arguments. Counting the phone, I use 4 different image sensor sizes. I still understand the difference in angle of view and am amused by the arguments. People are silly.
Posted by: David Brown | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 02:29 PM
This is not like grammar police. What you are saying is a thing which is true because, ultimately, the laws of physics say it is true and the laws which apply here, even if they are only approximations to the real laws we do not yet know, are not going go change. People can say it is wrong or can get confused, but the people are wrong and the thing is right. It is like (not quite like) people saying the world is flat: it is not, in fact, flat, however much they say it is.
Grammar police are not like this. They keep 'correcting' people, but natural language is defined by its users: there are no immutable laws of natural language. If enough people start using language 'wrongly' well, they are in fact using it correctly, and the language has now changed. If an identifiable group of people use language in a related but different way to other (usually richer, whiter, and more male) people, well, they are in fact speaking a dialect, they are not using the language used by that other group 'wrongly'. And I will remind you that a language is no more than a dialect with an army and a navy. There are a number of useful terms for grammar police: the most polite is 'idiot'.
Posted by: Zyni | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 03:22 PM
"but he taught it anyway because his students found it easy to grasp. [*Smacks forehead*.]"
Question being- Whose forehead? Said the guy who still recycles plastic knowing full well that only 5% of it actually gets recycled...
Posted by: Stan B. | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 03:22 PM
Alas, the endless circle of confusion... (Sorry, couldn't resist. To be honest, I've always found explanations of DOF kinda slippery, so I prefer not to think about it. Just use what you need to get the pictures you want.)
Posted by: robert e | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 04:41 PM
I think another (related) reason "EA" has gained traction is because the contemporary preference is for shallow DOF. When I first started seeing talk about equivalent apertures on photo fora, I tried it out myself, making some test shots using "equivalent" lenses and settings across two formats.
My experience was that the equivalency was more practical/convincing/satisfying when looking for similar amounts of background blurriness, but not so much when looking for a matching range of critical focus.
Posted by: AN | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 05:02 PM
While I was one of the EA commenters on Ctein’s article, I do agree with your message here, Mike.
Ctein’s reply to me reminded me of something: the pro-EA argument (that I made) is about the specifications, and the anti-EA argument (that Ctein made in his comments) is about the design of both the lens and the total system. One is the principle, the other is the details (and as they say, the devil is in the details). One is the starting point, the other is the adjusted end point. They should be allowed to coexist.
I would be critical of any pro-EA argument that denied the effects of the design and total system on the end result. Any such argument is folly: distance, lens sharpness, sensor details, all come into play.
But if one simply wants a general guide to the starting point, then the specification-based EA argument has its uses.
Remember, Ctein’s article topic #3, that EA doesn’t exist, focused entirely on the effect on exposure, which is an argument on principle or specification. It has its own holes, when scrutinised against design and system details. It also had errors of omission by disregarding the actual subject of DOF and wandering into exposure. It was only in his comments on the comments, that he delved into other issues (argument on design and system detail).
Posted by: Arg | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 05:19 PM
xkcd has a cartoon for everything.
https://xkcd.com/386/
Posted by: DavidB | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 05:32 PM
My own human depth of field is huge.
Just look at an object held in your hand, at full arms length. Yep. I'd reckon... what? F11?
Which is why any reportage images with limited depth of field always feel so contrived to me, as a viewer.
Posted by: Kye Wood | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 05:33 PM
Grammar police here: "..because it's different people all the time, and there are an inexhaustible supply of them."
Posted by: David B. | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 05:42 PM
To illustrate Zyni's point with an example that bugs the prescriptivist in me, is the word literally, which through use has come to mean figuratively. Leaving no word to mean what was previously meant as literally.
I accept that descriptivism is proper and correct, but the literally/figuratively takeover bothers me.
But hey, I've managed to contain my annoyance by how my boss misspells the word 'and'. He spells it 'an'.
Patrick
Posted by: Patrick Perez | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 06:22 PM
Mike, if "f1.7 is f1.7 is f1.7", where do T/stops fit in?
Posted by: Ian Bilson | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 06:49 PM
I think I remember seeing the DOF vs format equivalent stuff pop up on the forums (DPReview, etc) about the time that 24x36 sensors became better, cheaper, and more commonplace. I peg that at about 2008, with the introduction of the "affordable" Nikon D700 24x36 camera.
In line with the theme of your 'Don't Be A Looser' article, if folks want to limit their photography hobby to forum posts about false DOF Equivalents and bizarre Corner Sharpness obsessions, then that's what photography is to them.
Posted by: Keith B | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 06:50 PM
My blood pressure spiked when I read the title. Then I remembered, “This is Mike. He did that on purpose.” I feel better knowing I’m not the only one who gets their nose tweaked by that particular grammar mistake.
Posted by: Caleb Courteau | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 08:14 PM
:slow clap: 👏
Posted by: Sam Pieter | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 08:45 PM
In only about 62 years of photography (and probably only around 58 where I had any concept of "depth of field")—it's been something I desperately needed more of 99.9% of the time when it was an issue. (And aperture is so constrained by exposure issues that the chance that I can open up to blur the background is near zero—I'm at max aperture already just to get enough exposure to have a picture at all.) All my old photo books seemed to take that attitude (nearly always good, many mentioned intentional background blur to isolate the subject as a useful technique). And of course one of the most famous view camera techniques is specifically to give you a sharp field from the ground near the camera out to infinity; that's not depth of field of course, but it's visually about the same.
It's something multi-format photographers need to know, but most photographers use just one film or sensor size, at least over periods of years. (Yeah, I had medium-format cameras some, and some different sensor sizes, but I'm not "most photographers", neither are the rest of us here.)
The same aperture delivers the same light to the film/sensor across the formats (which is why it results in the same exposure), but results in different depth of field (with equivalent FOV focal lengths). But that really only matters when jumping back and forth between formats trying to duplicate the same results. (And when choosing a format, which I guess is when it comes into the current discussions a lot.)
Posted by: David Dyer-Bennet | Tuesday, 02 April 2024 at 10:59 PM
"A technical understanding of __________ is not required for the successful practice of photography."
Fill in the blank with whatever matter is at hand, and you'll probably be both correct and happier for it.
Posted by: Matthew | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 12:25 AM
It is funny, or sad, how even supposedly knowledgeable people get simple things in photography so fundamentally wrong. Just a few points, maybe for future discussion. And to add to this f/1.7 aperture discussion that, f being focal length, a 50mm ‘normal’ lens has at 1.7 a 50mm/1.7=29mm diameter aperture. I believe many people don’t know that, based on the complex explanations on aperture numbering I have seen.
‘Normal lens’ does not correspond to the field of view of human eye. I wonder how so many people claim that when any person who is not blind could immediately see it with his own eyes.
There is no wide angle perspective. Perspective, how the different parts in the image relate to each other, is decided by the location of the camera. Focal length has nothing to do with it. If you put a wider lens on your camera and move closer, then the perspective changes, but only because you moved.
And rangefinder cameras do not have parallax compensation. Whether expensive Leicas or cheap copies. You can only compensate for the parallax error by moving the viewfinder window to the place where the lens is. I remember some Mamiya TLR had such a gizmo that lifted the camera higher and lower to place the viewing and taking lenses in the exact same spot, thus removing parallax error.
Some other day we can talk about tilt and shift lenses and the scheimpflug effect which also seems, maybe intentionally, overly complicated to many ‘expert’ photographers.
Posted by: Ilkka | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 05:24 AM
One phenomenon concerning DoF and format sizes that I find interesting and cannot fully understand is the "falloff" (certainly the wrong term) of DoF in various formats.
Pictures taken on large format/medium format cameras often feel different to me not because there is the "make the background" blurry effect of typically "full format" 24x36mm frames taken with f/1.4 lenses, but because there is kind of a more subtle change from "in focus" to "out of focus" that I think you cannot fully reproduce in a smaller format. Does this exist, or is it just my imagination?
Posted by: Ralph Aichinger | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 08:07 AM
This reminds me of the discussions about T/stops.
Posted by: James Bullard | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 09:05 AM
Fine, now let's tackle RAW, which is the equivalent exposure of simply saying raw, but implying it is somehow an important abbreviation- or even, say, an acronym, whose letters stand for no one knows what.
In response to another response, here is one of those rich white guys mentioned who try to correct language usage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_Cantonese_pronunciation
Posted by: ronin | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 10:06 AM
WOW! What a lot of aggravations and assumptions.
And here naive Moose is, just interested in how format and aperture may be used to make the pictures he wants to make.
Off the reservation:
I've been doing what one might call manipulated (mediated? curated?) DoF. I take a stack of frames/slices, to get the subject all in focus. By shooting wide open, f1.2, I get lovely background bokeh and subject separation. Close focus, deep 3D subject f1.2 means razor thin DoF in each frame, thus lots of frames.
If I shoot @ f5.6 (f11-ish in FF DoF), it takes far fewer slices, but two things are different. The background is not as creamy and the fine detail is slightly edgier.
I might add that in merging, I carefully cut off the stack at the slice that has the deepest part of the subject in focus. That keeps the background OoF. Sometimes it's a lot of frames into the bit bucket. 🙂
Here, an ~ 4 in. diameter flower, 91 slices.
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15 slices for this tiny bud, and glorious bokeh.
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Another 91 slices, this close, this deep.
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Broken Box Moose
(Sorry, Mike, some folks like pix of flowers.)
Posted by: Moose | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 02:41 PM
I’ve done more than my share of shallow depth of field work, And even more fun curved depth of field work, But recently, my problem has been getting enough depth of field in gigapixel scale images.
My problem is that anything stopped down more than about f/4.5or f/5.6 loses sharpness, but to get from 1/2 mile to 30 miles away both in focus I need at least F/16. Excuse me, I mean adequately sharp. So my problem becomes I can have the foreground sharp , the background sharp, or neither sharp.
I know, nose to the wall sharpness with 40 foot prints is kind of a silly problem, but you get hung up on something and it’s hard to let go.
Oh, I should mention that these are hundreds of photos stitched together.
Posted by: hugh crawford | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 03:13 PM
I think I meant for my comment to be on the next post.
This topic is triggering me to go off looking for telephoto lenses with Waterhouse stops and apodization filters to insert therein.
I never find them.
Posted by: hugh crawford | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 03:21 PM
As someone who shoots m4/3, I convert everything to “m4/3 equivalent.” For example, if I read about a full frame 24-70 f/4, I’m going to convert that in my mind to 12-35 f/2, which is a stop faster than the Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 I use.
But the time I use “equivalent aperture” the most is when I’m thinking about cropping. For example, let’s say I want to take a picture with an angle of view that requires a focal length of 150 mm on m4/3. I own these relevant lenses:
- 40-150 f/4-5.6 -> f/5.6
- 35-100 f/2.8, applying a 1.5x crop -> f/4.2 “m4/3 equivalent”
- 75 f/1.8 applying a 2x crop -> f/3.6 “m4/3 equivalent”
So the 75 is still the fastest lens, even when cropping to 150, although the 35-100 zoom isn’t far off (and the 35-100 leaves me with more pixels).
Posted by: Brandon | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 08:32 PM
Zyni's comment is gold. And why this blog is so special. The range of comments are wonderful.
Posted by: Kye Wood | Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 10:32 PM