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Saturday, 04 November 2023

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I think you should have a “rule” not to put up any new post until comments have been posted, at least one day’s worth, for the current post. Otherwise , there’s effectively no reader interaction, which makes the blog far less interesting. Your call, of course, but I’ll stop commenting otherwise; waste of my time. Emails, too.

[Yes, I'm quite shamefaced about this. I really meant not to let this happen again. The comments are at least half the show here. --Mike]

I had a beautiful Leica M4 in the '80s and yes, it was sublime in every way. After the usual progression for many getting into the M system with old beat up M3 bodies, and being frustrated by the lack of 35mm lens support without a supplemental viewfinder (or those ugly bug-eyes) which ruined the clean lines of the body, the M4 was a welcome addition. Also better than the M3 was the film loading and rewinding which had evolved dramatically. Sadly, I had not yet arrived at my current rule, "Never Sell Anything!" I moved to Japan, and the yen was strong, so I sold 5 Leica M bodies, one being the M4, over there for an amazing amount in terms of dollars.

Today I still have my M6 (my first new-in-the-box Leica) and my M2R, but haven't bought a roll of film in a decade.

Based on my frequent regrets, often years later over cameras and lenses that I let go for long forgotten monies, I now keep everything that I've bought, literally stacks of cameras and lenses floor to ceiling, many that will never see the light of day again. Irrational sure, but I hate regrets.

If ya don't mind digital- you're talking GR.

Would just like to mention that if he doesn’t want to make the investment in a Leica there are several 70’s era fixed lens rangefinders that I think will fit the bill. The first is the Konica Auto S3. When Modern
Photography reviewed the camera and tested the lens they called it the best lens of its type they had ever tested. The disadvantage of this camera is that it is shutter priority and can’t be shot in manual mode. But you can kind of get around this by changing the ISO setting. The other camera is the Olympus 35RD which also has a wonderful lens, shoots in shutter priority, but this one can be shot in manual mode even without a battery. All of these 70’s era fixed lens rangefinders will benefit from a CLA especially to clean and adjust the viewfinder/rangefinder which typically have dimmed with haze over the last 50 years, but once cleaned are beautiful to look through. At the time of the CLA the tech can modify them to take modern silver oxide batteries instead of the mercury cells they were designed for. I have owned both of these cameras and they are terrific shooters. As Mike mentioned you can read about them on Stephen Gandy’s CameraQuest website. Even with the CLA either camera will cost much less than just the lens for the Leica.

And how about BDhouse while you’re at it? It’s been seven weeks since we turned in our homework. ;-)

Easy peasy - any manual focus Nikon since Dec 1954 with a Nikkor 50/1.4 lens 😎

My preference right now is a Nikon S2 with a Nikkor 50/1.4 but I'm seriously thinking of adding a Nikon FG in the near future.

(These would be along with my bigger and heavier AF Nikons both film and digital that don't quite do 'A Camera with a Small Format and a Knockout Lens'😈

I had a Contax G1 once upon a time with those wonderful Zeiss lenses. If I was go going to go back and shoot film again I would certainly consider that option as an affordable option to Leica.

Carl Zeiss Planar 45mm f/2 on a Contax G1. (The G2 is heavier).

55mm f/2.8 AI-s Micro Nikkor for that FE. (Despite the fact that Mike wants to ban all AI).

Yashica T4 (or T5). I sold mine five years ago to an art student for € 125. Had the ugly green Safari limited edition that sells now for four or five times that amount. I once got it by trading in my tiny Contax T1 rangefinder, because my wife could not handle that one. The autofocus on the T4 made life so much easier.

Ricoh started the GR series with some film cameras. I had one for my work, but I found its 28mm too wide for general use.


There are a lot of affordable, still-useful film rangefinder cameras that don't have a red dot. In most instances, a competent CLA (Clean-Lube-Adjust) will restore suitable function although optically, most of the attached lenses won't resolve nearly as well as a Summicron.

All of these require either a separate light meter or the ability to accurately estimate exposure in varying lighting conditions.

For a really small folding 35mm RF camera, there's always the Kodak Retina IIc, with the coated 50/2 Schneider Xenon lens, basically a Planar design.

If you want to go a bit larger in a "compact" folder, there's a Voightlander Bessa II 6 cm x9 cm folding RF camera. The best models have coated Heliar or Apo-Lanthar lenses actually made by Voightlander in Germany, but these upper-tier fixed lenses models are incredibly rare, at least on the market.

Getting CLAs for these two models was easy, also I've yet to find anyone who can CLA 1950s Nikon and Zeiss Contax-style interchangible lens rangefinder cameras.

Going up another notch, most 4x5 US-made press cameras like Graphics as well as the Linhof Technika technical cameras include rangefinder capabilities.

If you are looking for a cheaper option, I can highly recommend the Olympus 35RC as a rangefinder. If you can cope with scale focussing, the Rollei 35 and the Olympus Trip are great too.

Well, the logical step up from an XA2 is the XA. Nicer lens and more control.

I'm not sure if it's possible to find a good-condition Leica CL or CLE any more, but that would be a larger step up, especially with the wonderful and compact Summicron-C 40mm. Smaller and lighter than an M, with a few (gasp!) plastic bits, but still a precision instrument. It was good enough for the mature Henri Cartier-Bresson, and who are we to argue?

Canon Canonet QL17 GIII

Excluding my iPhone, I've transitioned entirely to analog photography, now exclusively using a 1974 Leica M4. Over a few years, I sold all my digital cameras, including Canon DSLRs, Olympus and Panasonic Micro 4/3 cameras and Digital Leica Ms, as I found that the post-processing in Lightroom had killed the joy of photography for me. The hours spent in front of the computer going through thousands of frames felt like a mandatory time consuming burden.

The theft of my Leica MP and its 50mm f/1.4 ASPH Summilux lens left me with only a 35mm f/2.0 Summicron (not my favourite focal length!). So I purchased the M4 which I now shoot with the 35 Summicron. I sometimes find myself eyeing the M6s and M7s, mainly because I rely heavily on a Voigtländer VC Meter for exposure.

I did stop concert photography - that I used to enjoy very much - as I struggle to capture images that I like with a film Leica. I am just not good enough I guess!

And I need to find the Knockout Lens! The one with character!

In the featured comment by David Bennett, he mentions Purgatory Road as an address he would enjoy. In my younger days I competed in TSD (time-speed-distance) car rallies. These involve route finding and time keeping. As navigator I spent many hours in the car reading maps and deciphering instructions. Near St. Catharines, Ontario, there is a road called Sodom. Several hundred kilometers away near Belleville, Ontario, is a road called Gomorrah. Isn't it a shame that they're not closer together and maybe even intersect. Wouldn't it be fun telling people that you live at Sodom and Gomorrah.

Here in India the still ubiquitous Yashica Electro 35s and the Canonet QLs are all the rage for film shooters not to mention Nikon FM10s.

A vote for the Olympus 35 SP. Nice rangefinder and the 42mm f1.7 seven-element is a gem.

I realize I'm late to the party, but I would like to add a full-throated recommendation of the Pentax MX. I have owned and used many, Many, MANY SLRs, rangefinders and mini cameras of one sort or another, and my favorite (by far) is the Pentax MX. Small, solid, great viewfinder and controls.

If you want more features and don't mind a small (but not insignificant) increase in size and weight, I would recommend a Nikon FE-2.

As for Leicas...they are...interesting, but what I feel is consistently overlooked is just how dang heavy they are. Or maybe they just feel that way because they are so dense. Beautifully made? Yes. But I would never want to lug one around.

FWIW, I dislike using shoulder straps with cameras, and I found I could easily carry a Pentax MX with a 50mm lens in one hand all day.

You hit several contacts points with me in this post. I still have the M4 that I bought in 2005, and had it serviced by Sherry K. And the OM2n - a perfect complement to the Leica as the lens focus ring turns in the same direction. My other nomination in the "small format / knockout lens" category would be my Spotmatic with (purely by chance) one of the rare and excellent 8-element Super-Takumar 50mm f/1.4 lenses. It feels as well made as the Leica and provides that satisfying mechanical tactile feedback.

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