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Thursday, 01 March 2018

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So many useful and cogent ideas have been expressed that I have little to add. Please permit me two thoughts, one cautionary.

TOP is rightly very popular (with more Patreon participants!) and your loyal audience will welcome more offerings whatever the format. But they all take time to produce.

Which brings me to number two. Despite your protestations you are very orderly and make good use of your time. We all look forward to your tasty morsels like the "the bakers' dozen". My fear is that if you add some new activity/distraction to your daily routine, completion of the "book" might not get enough attention and consequently get pushed farther into the future. Maybe there is some Archimedean principle about one activity displacing time from another. Just my two drachmas worth.

I'll skip the podcast. (I hate them.) I can read faster than you can speak.

You are an excellent writer and I learn as much from you about written communication as I learn about photography.

My new job entails a rather long commute and I look forward to easing that burden a bit with a TOP podcast.

Good luck!

Don't forget us non-Apple folks (gasp!). I listen to podcasts on Stitcher, which is platform agnostic (the have both an Apple and Android app, and you can listen to them on the desktop via your web browser).

It's even more convenient if your auto head unit supports Apple CarPlay and/or Android Auto. Then the Stitcher interface can be accessed from your head unit screen, which avoids messing with a cellphone while under way.

I regularly listen to several different podcasts during my hour-plus each way commute: TWit (This Week in Tech with Leo LaPorte and friends), This American Life, MarketPlace, and the TED Radio Hour. Some are long form (TWit is typically over two hours), while MarketPlace is 1/2 hour daily. All in all it tends to get me through the week. Since I visit your site daily during lunch, it would be great to add your podcast to my daily rotation.

". . . but please slow down your delivery by at least 50%. The listener needs to be able to think about what you're saying as you go along."

Umpteen years ago, in a two week class on teaching, we were treated to a lecture by a prof. who researched attention and retention. He had taught himself to speak at roughly twice the 'normal' rate.*

He made his point very effectively; usual rates of speech, information delivery, are so slow that many listener's minds wander.

I've always had a problem with this. For example, I require a NYTimes Sunday crossword to work while watching most TV and movies.** It's only the few that are intense/engaging enough that I don't get squares filled in. Most, though, move slowly enough that I can keep track, and not go off somewhere else, with the help of a puzzle.


* Now, of course, one may do that electronically.

** We watch everything delayed or streamed, so don't watch commercials.

I started reading the column and then switched to the audio version. With that, I immediately began to clean the breakfast table. So much for CPA! Case closed.

Hi Mike,
An impressive result for a first try. And I do listen to a lot of podcasts, so I know what to compare it to. But that's the thing: I already listen to a lot of podcasts because that's the only way I can feel a bit better about wasting so much time commuting to work. And despite spending so much time listening to them, I'm still left with a backlog! There's just so much good content out there...
The Online Photographer, I don't get to come to every day because I'm so tired coming back home from work I just don't have the energy I want to give it. But I do catch up every now and then with ALL the posts I've missed. I just like your writing THIS much. And that's the point I wanted to make: I'm sure yours will be a great podcast and maybe it will bring more people to TOP, which would be great news. But, as much as I've enjoyed listening to you this one time, I'll stick to your written word. Podcasts are for what I don't value as much as I do your work. I want to give you my full attention.
But you know what they say: just my 2 cents...
Cheers,
Thomas

It's a good idea and I would definitely listen to the TOP Podcast. Content and tone is very important and your work really resonates with me.

I'm a bit late here but for what it's worth here are my 2 cents worth. I listened for as long as I could before it started to repeat (twice) and then read the end of the post. So apart from this technical problem all I can say is Great! I really appreciate the thoughtful constructed podcast while also being delivered in a relaxed casual style. What a combination. I listen to a number of podcasts, but photography ones usually leave me frustrated as the podcasters (nearly always more than one) talk too much waffle and seem to start out from just bullet points. But from you I know I will get a well crafted piece and if you can keep up that delivery (you do have a great speaking voice) I will look forward to pressing play while driving. You know hearing your voice makes TOP far more personable. You don't need a jingle to start or finish, if anything just click click click.

Well, your voice is OK, which is half the battle. Just as some people have a face destined for radio, others have a voice that's perfect for still photography.

Be sure to get a pop filter for that mike, and good pair of cans. The Sony MDR-7506 is good value.

Excellent! Bravo! More!

Ken Tanaka wrote:
Personally I'm not a fan of podcasts. They're background noise. People just blowing air out their...faces. I understand the attraction of people to produce them; they're easy and require no real thought or meaningful content, as listeners are almost certainly simultaneously doing something else.

I always read Ken's comments with care and am interested in and respect his opinion, but in this case, he's just blowing air out of his...face ;-)

I listen to several hours of podcasts each week, and spent a few months producing and recording one myself. I can assure everyone that only the bad podcasts follow Ken's recipe. A good podcast is a lot of work; recording it is the easy part! There's the preproduction and the postproduction, though, and those take up a lot of time if you're doing it right.

Podcasts are the future of radio, and in fact, my favourite podcasts are the NPR shows I used to listen to on the radio, except now I can listen to them when and where I want. But the same amount of work that goes into a good radio show must go into a good podcast.

Now, as for a TOP podcast, I may or may not listen to it, and that would depend on its quality. And for those who think podcasting is easy, consider this: To create a good blog post you need some good content—something that's interesting to your audience, and you need to write it in a compelling fashion. Mike excels at both, and it's why we're all here. To create a good podcast episode, however, you need all the above plus a good vocal delivery plus good production values, meaning it's harder to create a good podcast episode than it is a blog post. And it's a different skillset for the added work required.

Mike, you have a good voice, but it was clear you were reading a script. All the successful podcasts have something in common apart from the quality of their content: Their delivery is not flat and structured, like when you read a book, but rather it has the qualities of a conversation. Even if it's a one-sided conversation, the listener wants to feel like they're been spoken to, not read to.

This isn't easy to do, and it will take you practice. Are you willing to put in the time? Is it even worth your time given how you may not get many listens? That's up to you to decide.

I don't want to sound negative, I just want to warn you of what you're getting yourself into. Don't fall into the trap of thinking "this is going to be easy"; it's not.

Hi Mike
I just found your podcast. I don't get to you every day, sometimes it's every other day or two to three even.
I'd never heard you before, and now, I wish I hadn't heard you at all. Don't mis understand please. I can honestly say, you sound WAY younger than I anticipated you might. I've been reading you since you wrote columns for The Luminous Landscape. Back then, you used to write in hilarious terms and would have me in fits. Since those day, you've become far more serious, that is, just less funny. Not that that is a bad thing, but you're just different. But, over the years I've still learned much from you. In all this time, I've put a "sound" to you. I read, as I always have, as if being spoken to, that is, at that speed. Never could cotton-on to speed reading, didn't want to.
So, in a sense you've been talking to me for many years.
But now, that is shattered. It's my own fault, I should never have listened to the podcast. I will continue to read you, not listen. For one thing, I found as I listened this one time, your words were not "going in" so to speak. Maybe it's another example of attention, or lack of. Now into my 70's, you wouldn't want to hear me, but rest assured I will continue to "hear" you via these pages for sometime yet :) all being well.
Cheers, Derek.

My imagination for your accent was about right, which was pleasing. But I'm unlikely to be a listener.

Here is how the next generation communicates. I had to watch it several times. First time I watched it I could not concentrate on what they were saying. The second time I understood the words but not the story. The third time I understood the story but missed the point. But certainly well made and sympathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=AMZX_L7_TV0

(Found via 43 Rumors and Fstoppers)

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