A Minolta Autocord currently for sale on Ebay* by seller w911jan
Here's my sense of the ten-year trend in medium format:
As the world rushed to digital, medium-format camera sales, always extremely modest as a percentage of camera sales in general, diminished a lot further. Several medium-format cameramakers went out of business; a couple of others stopped making medium-format cameras. Here on TOP, we linked to a sobering set of pictures of Hasselblad's abandoned headquarters building.
On the world's virtual flea markets, the bottom dropped out of used equipment values. There was an interlude of a few years' duration during which bargains abounded.
Buggy whips. Nobody wanted the stuff.
Recently, however, a small, steady undercurrent of demand has begun to reassert itself. Not all photographers and hobbyists want to own and use medium-format film gear...but some do. The demand never disappeared; it's just that it's beginning to catch up to the supply again. A number of people, perhaps limited in means or driven by enthusiasm, had snapped up some nice bargains and found medium format to be a fun and rewarding way to practice their photography. A thriving sub-sub-culture was...well, not born, because it has always been there. Revived, let's say. Revivified.
And so prices have just barely begun to rise again. People are realizing that much less medium-format gear is coming to market as new product now, and that they might want it...someday; if not now, then later. And the best bargains are receding, as people begin to compete for the best stuff that's left.
Does that sound about right?
It's not a huge change, mind you. Just a barely perceptible trend. But I see medium-format making what could actually be called a comeback.
Of Kievs and Knebs
Since I posted the notice about the closing of the Arsenal factory in Ukraine a few days ago, I've been corresponding with several enthusiasts of cameras from the former Soviet bloc. I was surprised to learn about Arax, which sells—new, for very modest prices—a camera of a design that I'm personally familiar with. (It's not often I come across camera brands I don't know about, even esoteric ones.) I don't really know that much about the design, but I know it's been around forever—first as the Practisix, then Pentacon Six, then Exakta 66 and Kiev (or "Kneb," depending on whether the nameplate was in Roman or Cyrillic characters) 60. Seems that several importers do their own quality control on selected Arsenal (Kiev) products. Arax does that and more.
The Exakta 66 and Kiev 60 were made by entirely different companies, as far as I know; they just shared a common ancestry.
I reviewed the Exakta 66 Model 1 for the old Darkroom Photography magazine when it came out. It was a modernized Pentacon Six that was "rubber armored" as the phrase was. The rumor at the time was that it had been the boyhood first camera of then-Schneider and -Rollei Chief Heinrich Mandermann, who revived it partly out of love—love, and the same enthusiasm we all have for old favorites. I owned my Model 1 for maybe a couple of years; tried to buy a second one (a Model 2 by that time) a few years later, and was too dumb to realize that my brand-new camera had come out of the box with the focusing screen installed upside-down. All I knew is that the focus was maddeningly inaccurate. The frames overlapped, too (a common problem with the Exakta 66. Baier Fototechnic can now fix that). I "deaccessioned." You know what they say: Oh well.
I liked the camera, though. Who knows why some cameras "fit" us and others don't? It's a "chemistry" thing, if that's not too highflown a concept for this context. I suspect it's because I did a lot of work with that Exakta 66 that I liked it so much. I was photographing a lot in those years. I learned to guess my exposures (an experience I commemorated in an article called "Train Your Brain...To Guess Exposure"), because the camera didn't have a light meter (I used the waist-level finder), and I carried the camera without a strap, because the Exakta 66 needed a funky style of strap with a custom bracket on it and I didn't have one (the genesis of my hidebound, lifelong dislike of any sort of special strap connectors on cameras). I had a show of the work I did during that period at a Park Service gallery in Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C., so it was all framed, meaning that it's been hanging on my walls, off and on, ever since, because what else are you going to do with framed pictures but put them on the wall somewhere? The quality of the pictures from that camera was lovely.
Being as I'm basically a sentimental fool, the Arax 60 tempted me. But it turns out that the Schneider lens made for the Exakta 66 has become unobtainable. (It's called the Schneider 80mm ƒ/2.8 Xenotar MF, and if you have or know of one for sale, please let me know. I'll pay top dollar). So, no Arax for my closet—for now.
Bargains to be had
Anyway, I already have a couple of medium format cameras in the closet. I acquired both a Bronica SQ-A and a Bronica RF645 after Bronica went the way of all things. I don't use either one much, but they're there in case I want to play with 'em. I always liked Bronicas.
I bought both at the bottom of the market, both for great prices. Even those cameras, from defunct Bronica, are more expensive now than when I bought mine. There are still lots of good bargains out there in medium format, though, and a plentiful field for play.
People nowadays mostly know the names that were until recently "big" in medium format: Hasselblad, Mamiya 7 and RZ67, Rolleiflex, Pentax 67II. But with a little digging, you can learn about a whole raft of lesser-known names that you can hunt for. The quality leader is probably the Mamiya 7 and 7II, which has never gotten cheap as far as I know. The Leica has never been made that will hold a candle to Mamiya 7 prints, at least once you get up into the bigger paper sizes. (The Mamiya's lenses are much slower, too, so it's peaches and plums, really.) Most TLRs are still potentially serviceable, including the Minolta Autocord pictured atop this post and the various iterations of the Mamiya interchangeable-lens TLR from the C3 to the c330s. Good Bronicas are still out there for mostly very good prices, although you should be aware of the fact that the backs can be unreliable under hard use (get a spare or two). Mamiya Press and Universal cameras are clunky but fun. The Kowa Six was a Japanese Hasselblad copy of very good quality. And so on.
A couple of principles: first, there's a sort of topseyturviness that goes on in used markets like these. People prize bargains, so items that were once bargains actually sometimes become more expensive than the original. The Rolleicords became popular as bargain Rolleiflexes, but now, late 'Cords have gotten as expensive as some good 'Flexes. In 35mm you don't have to look far to find this topseyturviness: some Leica copies, for instance, are now more rare and hence more expensive than actual Leicas (compare, say, a Nicca 5L to a Leica IIIf), and the Leica R4s, which was desirable as a simplified, cheaper R4, is now more sought-after than the actual R4. Second, the existence of a "last" or "latest" or "ultimate" model of any given camera tends to make that model more pricey—and earlier iterations less so. In 35mm, the Leica IIIg has always been expensive, earlier III's not so much. In medium format, the ultimate Pentax 67II is expensive, but the penultimate 67, which was made with few changes for a longer span of time, is quite cheap. The Rolleicord Vb comes with a price premium, but earlier Rolleicord models are still very reasonable. In most cases like these, people vie for the latest and best, so you can swoop in and find prime bargains among the little-bit-earlier models of most things. I mean, does anybody really care if the hood is removable from their Rolleicord? It's a half-century-old camera. You can probably deal with one that's a half-century-plus-a-little-bit old.
Another thing I'd be interested in hearing from the Brain Trust: does anybody know of a really good lab for getting medium-format filmed and scanned for a reasonable price? I think I asked this question once before, but I can't seem to dig up that information now.
So, what about you? Got an old medium-format camera? Bought one recently? Which ones do you like? How'd you find it and how much did you have to pay? Got any nice pics you could link (to put a link in the comments, try this: <a href="URL" target="_blank">text</a> )? Do you make prints? If so, how?
I'm not saying medium format's day hasn't passed, mind you. But I've been talking to some people lately who are still having an awful lot of fun with it. Seems there's still a lot of fun out there to be had.
Mike
*This is not an endorsement of a particular product or seller. Hugh Crawford notes in the comments that this one's focusing lever is broken off! Featured Comment by robert e: "Hi Mike, I'd like to address (or evade) your printing/scanning question, and bring up a 'fun factor' I think you overlooked, by noting that medium format presents in many ways a DIY sweet spot."For one thing, frames on contact sheets (or bare negatives) are at a size that can be perused easily by most people, and reasonably judged for fine detail with a common magnifying glass.
"For another, the low magnification needed for average print sizes means that even budget enlargers and lenses can produce decent prints. Most of those can handle at least 2 1/4, often 6x7. These days, they are free or nearly free via the local classifieds, craigslist, or auctions. One might want want to splurge a bit for a slightly longer, better lens (also low cost these days—again, you don't need the best for modest print sizes from medium negatives).
"Some of this holds true for scanning. Much easier to get resolution good enough for average-size prints from medium format than from 35mm, including IMO from modestly priced flatbed-with-transaparency-adapter scanners (used, these are also nearly free these days).
"Big neg/small magnification also means dust is not as big a problem (literally) as it is with 35mm.
"I suppose it's arguable whether 120 film is easier to develop, but for me, the larger size and often thicker base is easier to handle, and makes 35mm seem fiddly and fussy in comparison. For the more adventurous, 120 film is nice for cutting up and taping inside a pinhole camera.
"Moving up to large format, on the other hand, entails bigger, more cumbersome equipment all around, and a significant jump in costs.
"You also didn't mention the spectacular quality to be had from even average taking optics. Yes, to eke out the all the resolution of medium format, and to best DSLRs, you'll need more serious methods. But medium format offers major bang for buck/effort."
Featured Comment by JackM: "I just sold my Rolleiflex 2.8 to a friend who would appreciate it and use it. I learned a lot about photography with it. The key learning was not composition or f-stops. The key learning was that photography and drinking do not mix. I was once invited to a party and asked to shoot some film of the party while participating. I shot two rolls, and was convinced that I was shooting some of my very best work creatively. I was so excited to see the results that I went home and developed the first roll while still under the influence. I looked at the negatives and was horrified to discover blank film. I had used color developer to develop B&W film. The bleach step removed all the images. I decided to develop the second roll the next day, cold sober. The second roll was perfectly developed, but every frame had been double exposed, which with the Rollei was possible to do if one is drinking and shooting. I told the hosts of the party that I had some very creative shots, and they agreed. They also suggested that the photos be viewed only after consuming as many drinks as were consumed when I was taking the pictures.
"Drinking and driving is illegal. Drinking and photography should be."
Featured Comment by Don Mohr: "I'm the guy from Anchorage with the motorcycle in his living room [Note: see last featured comment at the link —Ed.], so you knew that I would have collected some medium format gear.
"Here is my entry in the 'I noticed how the prices were dropping on cameras I always knew that I could never afford and then I couldn't stop myself' contest.
"I did buy the Kowa as the poor man's Hasselblad, knowing I would never have the money for a Hasselblad, and then found that I could, and then found I could even get a great price on a superwide."
Hi Mike,
People aren't just moving to MF but to LF, too. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that there is a sense of dissatisfaction with digital amongst a number of more experienced photographers. It's seen as being just too easy whereas film is considered to be something of a challenge.
I shoot both digital and LF these days. If I had to, I'd sell my DSLR in a flash but the very last thing I'd sell would be my clunky, heavy and inconvenient view camera. Using it is just too much fun!
Posted by: Julian | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 03:01 AM
Daido Moriyama still uses an old Autocord...I caught him taking pictures with it in a Shinjuku alley where he hangs out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/poagao/4124355325/
Posted by: Poagao | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 03:28 AM
Excellent!
I shall explain to my wife the potential goldmine I have accumulated over the past 5 to 8 years ;-)
I have thoroughly enjoyed the stampede away from MF, as it gave me a chance to try the format(s). I've had a lot of fun with the 6x6 and 6x9 format cameras, especially the better quality 6x6 folders. I can still remember my reaction when viewing my first roll of 6x6 'chromes - pictures of northern France. Heck, even SWMBO was impressed.
Of course, seeing how magnificent 6x6 slides were lead me to trying 6x9, then 9x12 and 4x5". I've managed to stop there by frightening myself by looking at the cost of 8x10 'chromes....
Posted by: Paul H | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 04:27 AM
First was the Fuji GS645S. Then came the GW690. Then the Hasselblad 500C/M with 80mm C T* lens, soon supplemented by a 180mm CF tele.
The Fuji GA645zi joined the above collection, and then a Bronica ETRsi, and finally, less than twelve months ago, a Fuji GA645Wi.
I still have, love, and use them all. Can't bring myself to part with any of them.
Samples from some of them are here:
http://alkiratech.tripod.com/photogallery/id93.html
Posted by: Craig Norris | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 04:36 AM
"I've managed to stop there by frightening myself by looking at the cost of 8x10 'chromes....I've managed to stop there by frightening myself by looking at the cost of 8x10 'chromes...."
Oh, but 8x10 transparencies on a lightbox...whoa....
[g]
Mike (I'm no help, am I?)
Posted by: Mike Johnston | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 04:45 AM
Out of the many MF cameras that have passed through my hands, perhaps the most unusual was a Linhof 69 (?) rangefinder that took 6x8 negs and was held vertically with a pistol grip for landscape orientation, wish I had a picture of it. It was so awkward in use that despite producing fantastically fine images (similar to a 'Leica look') it was soon exchanged for a Bronica ECTL -with one of the best shutter-mirror sounds I've come across.
Posted by: Mark Walker | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 06:07 AM
I just bought a Mamiya 645 pro with an 80mm and 150mm leaf shutter lens. A polaroid back, a metered prism and two film backs for around $600. I love it. It makes me want to buy the 645afdIII. I love the way slide film looks at this size.
I also just bought the chemicals to develop my own black and white. I use an epson 4490 scanner. Works well enough. It I really need a perfect scan I take it elsewhere.
Before that, I bought a Mamiya C330 with an 80mm and of course a Diana.
I mainly choose to go with a larger Mamiya because the sync on the C330 was not so good. It worked half the time.
Greg
Posted by: Greg Brophy | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 12:01 PM
Wow, Mike, you know how to throw a party!
I'd forgotten how awkward it can be to load MF film onto a reel until someone mentioned it in this thread. I'd forgotten because I found a reel that makes it easy.
Those little tabs on plastic reels that tell you by feel where the groove starts? On a "Samigon Autofeed Reel" those tabs are elaborated into half inch by one inch loading guides. The end of the roll gets fed into them much the way paper money is fed into a vending machine slot. Also adjusts to smaller formats.
I found it at B&H.
Posted by: robert e | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 12:23 PM
My best find was a pristine Rolleiflex 3.5E Planar with loads of accessories for $150 at a charity rummage sale in the mid 90s. My favorite unknown 6x6 cameras are the Norita 66 SLR with 80mm f/2 lens, and the Ansco Titan folder. I sold my Hassy 500c/m and P67II as soon as I realized I preferred digital, but I kept the Ansco Titan, and I may even shoot it again someday. It's a wonderful, simple camera, and when folded up it fits in my back pocket like a fat wallet.
Posted by: Matt Needham | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 02:54 PM
A timely post - I just rented a Hasselblad 503 last weekend to take some portraits of friends, shooting film for the first time in 4 years. I loved that it slowed me down and made me think technically and aesthetically about each frame before I pressed the shutter. And my friends really took to having their portrait taken with such a beautiful piece of mechanical engineering. In fact I enjoyed using it so much that now I'm trying to put together a system on eBay.
Posted by: Julian | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 03:49 PM
picked up a plaubel makina W67 in 1999. do my own prints since 1983. hence never felt the need to venture into the digital world.
Posted by: cb | Wednesday, 02 December 2009 at 05:21 PM
Few years ago, I found a brand new Rollei 6003 professional at a bargain price. I had the warranty signed in front of me. It is a camera relatively young, not in the same league of the old Rolleiflex and with a lot of automatic features. But it shares the same problems: find an excellent lab for developing and then scanning in high quality. In Italy is starts to be difficult to get perfect developments of color 6x6 negatives.... So today I use it together with the digital arsenal, I do the same shots (when on a tripod) with both cameras. I pre-scan the negs myself with an Epson V750. Not perfect quality but still ok... But the 3dimensional look of the images is very hard to reproduce even with excellent L graded Canon arsenal... And hey: two shots out of the Rollei made execellent result at the Prix of Photography in Paris this year...
Posted by: Cristaldiphoto | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 06:31 AM
Mike, I moved to medium format back in 1995 and haven't left for digital yet. I think that it pays for a low-volume shooter like me. After a dozen years with a Pentax 67 and four lenses I sold it all a few years ago to go lighter with a Mamiya 7II and five lenses (43, 50, 80, 150, 210mm) for travel and enjoy it every time. Often I'll take just the 43mm and 80mm. The Mamiya C330s TLR is for portraits.
Just a few days ago I bought a little used, last model Pentax 67 105mm lens from a shop for $195 (!) so I can turn an old leftover Pentax 6x7 body into a camera.
Posted by: Rod S. | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 10:03 AM
In the last few months I've bought a Bronica RF645 because I got tired of waiting for Mamiya 6 prices to drop (and I love it to bits, everything in the right place,16 shots on 120 and the vertical orientation is no bother), a Mamiya 645 1000S because the combination of low price and 'fastest MF lens in the west' look was too good to resist, and a 617 camera by a lesser know Japanese brand, even though I'd decided after three years with an xpan that I couldn't compose panoramics. I have my eye out for a particular 6x6 at the moment, but I selfishly dare not mention which for fear of creating bidding competition (how's that for a barometer of the trend in online secondhand medium format demand?)!
My personal reasons for the active interest in this gear are threefold. I decided a while back that despite shooting 80-90% digitally, I needed to keep a film camera with me for those times when only film will do (usually just for a 'look' or a quality of large print, but sometimes for dynamic range reasons), and if you're going to use film, why not use a lot of it. Secondly, with the move to smaller formats in digital (1.5x and 2x crops in DSLRs, tiny sensors in compacts), medium format film provides far greater opportunities for combining shallow depth of field with normal or wide perspectives and moderate working distances. Lastly, one can simply get some great gear, classic gear, bullet-proof last-a-lifetime gear for less than the price of a mid-range digital compact.
Posted by: Robin Harrison | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 01:30 PM
I got a russian TLR in 1996 that I grew to hate. I still have and use it because the waist level viewing is handy on occasion.
A few weeks ago I bought a Mamiya M645 at a photo (collector, I think) garage sale. 55mm lens (also came with a 150, but I have no use for that) suits me just great.
This is my first non-toy MF camera, and I already love it. I've shot about 15 rolls thus far, most of them on a 9 mile walk along the wharfs in San Francisco a few weeks ago. Here are some of my favorites thus far:
http://thechrisproject.tumblr.com/post/253781899
http://thechrisproject.tumblr.com/post/251176357/fist-roll
Posted by: Chris Norris | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 01:33 PM
I've spent more money on Pentax 645n and 67 equipment, film, and processing than digital this year. Craigslist is an amazing place.
I'm still very much new to this photographic format and am loving it so far. I suppose the only way I'll enjoy it more is when I finally cave and install a darkroom.
The reaction I get when people see the 67, wood handle, 55/3.5, and lens hood is an excellent chance not only to meet new people but to explain a bit of photographic history as well.
Posted by: Charles Hueter | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 04:09 PM
Ditto on the Epson flat bed. My four year old 4180 makes stunning scans of 6x6 negs.
Both of my MF cameras came out of friends studios who were doing conversions.
Two years ago I bought a 500CM, NC2, 50, 250 and a back for $700 because the owner was going digital.
But thirty years ago I picked up a pristine 2.8f for $125 because the studio owner was going to try his hand at filmaking.
He also wanted to sell me a tele and wide Rollei pair for $250 for the set. I didn't have the dough.
Like digital but love MF. Just old school I guess.
Posted by: Mike Plews | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 04:44 PM
"He also wanted to sell me a tele and wide Rollei pair for $250 for the set. I didn't have the dough."
Wow. That is one for the category of "bargains that got away." I guess you know how much those go for today....
Mike
Posted by: Mike Johnston | Thursday, 03 December 2009 at 05:24 PM
The camera which you have posted here in this blog is quite nice. I just need the Advantages over the other camera's.
Posted by: clipping path india | Friday, 04 December 2009 at 02:26 AM
I own two ARAX cameras equipped with Schneider Xenotar 80mm, Curtagon 65mm and Xenar 150 mm and I tell you it is capable of great shots! Most of my MF gear was provided by eBay sellers, including the lenses I mention above.
If you could run a test, I doubt that you could distinguish shots made with ARAX from Hasselblad ones or any other famous medium format camera.
But I like Rolleiflex also, by all means. I presently have a Rollei fitted with Planar 2.8 in almost pristine condition, which I use a lot.
Thanks for your attention.
Posted by: Rodrigo Whitaker Salles | Saturday, 05 December 2009 at 07:45 AM
My first cameras were medium format "point and shoot" and a colapsible Kodak 35mm with a defective rangefinder from the forties and fifties that my father let me play with. Eventually I got a chance to use a good camera, a Hasselblad I believe, that I only got to use for a few frames. I then moved on to a Canon SLR with just a couple of lenses. I fell in love with a Nikon FTM in a camera store and got a micro Nik for it. I used this while in photography school and then moved on to a 4x5 Calumet view camera with a Schneider convertable lens and used the zone system. It is so sensual having your hands in a tray of film feeling the development. Long gone though. I had a Mamiya tlr for a while until it was stolen along with my tripod and due to illness didn't really do any photography for a decade. A Minolta x700 purchase got me back into photography in the eighties. I was always disappointed with 35mm's lack of resolution though. I bought a couple of Minolta digital cameras four or five years ago and took some good portraits with them but their lack of resolution and noise prevented me from getting back into still lifes and landscapes that I so loved to shoot with the 4x5. Now I've got a ff digital that has me striving to get back into high res photography.
Posted by: Theresa | Sunday, 06 December 2009 at 08:32 AM
Aloha :)
Since the rest (Mamiya RB67, C330S) seems to be covered, I drop another name: Flexaret. Couple of years ago while visiting Prague, i was searching for some "local souvenir" and not so suprisingy found it a from camera store: Flexaret IIa (built approx 1947-48). It cost me about 100$ (which is too expensive but it was an old town - read: tourist trap - shop). And funnily enought it has been my main travel camera since - it's very light, it's dead simple, it's practically unbreakable. Of course it doesn't have top quality lens (F4.5 only) but it works (even after a slight motocycle crash). So, here's my flickr stream of tag:flexaret :)
Oh, and I call it "Birdhouse"
Posted by: sepp | Monday, 07 December 2009 at 12:06 PM