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Wednesday, 09 September 2009

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I attended the product demo at my local camera store (Bergen County Camera, great dealer, BTW) last night. Jim Wagner from Leica was there. I got a chance to try out the S2 and the M9. I was very impressed by both.

The S2 seems only a little larger than an R8 and was very close in weight. The 70mm lens was bigger but lighter than an 80 f1.4 for the R cameras. The viewfinder was bright and easy to use and the camera comfortable to hold and handled very well.

The M9 had real Leica feel with a better viewfinder than my M6TTL. It's small, light, responsive with a very quiet shutter. Lots of ambient room noise so I couldn't tell if it was quieter than a film M, but it's very close.

I didn't try the X1 although it seemed to be drawing the most interest from the customers in the store. There was a lot of positive buzz about this camera.

I'm thinking that this is the first digital camera that I would actually like to own. Is it worth more than two 5D mk IIs? In my mind, Hell, yes! not even a contest.

More importantly, I'm now inclined to buy a third lens for my film Leica. The full frame M9 rollout today shows me a credible digital "upgrade" path that would make such an investment worthwhile.

I think it's a little premature to say "Leica's back". It may turn out to be "too little, too late". With newspapers folding right and left and photojournalists finding it harder to get work, it is not at all clear to me who is going to shell out US$7k for the M9.

Nor is it clear to me that photographers are willing or able to pay a premium for the X1 over similar, cheaper competing formats, from Canon's G11 to Panasonic's GF1.

Don't forget, too, there's a recession on.

I am impressed!
The X1 reminds me of the Leica-I(A) of 1925, nothing wrong with that though... Somehow even similar to a FED... XD
Now Leica seems to have a range of:
-S2 - smallest medium-format camera
-M9 - smallest full-frame camera
-X1 - smallest APS-C camera
Splendid...

I don't know if you've looked at the M9 brochure - it features photographs of Cuba. Is it just me or do these look like pictures that could be made with any low-priced point n' shoot? Some highlights blown out, others on the point of being blown out and a general look of overexposure - I know the Cuban sun is hot but the photographer had an M9- couldn't he ( or she) have done better? I've owned Leicas and I know the camera deserves its formidable reputation so I suspect it's not the camera but rather a bad decision at the editing table ...

While a number of people have pointed out that there are other “full frame” digitals as expensive as the M9, these are often studio cameras. News and documentary photographer’s cameras are faced with breakage, theft and confiscation. Working abroad, specifically in the Middle East, Africa, China and the Soviet Union, I started not using my beloved Leicas and lenses because I wouldn’t be able to replace them.

Many of us (including one friend who has been field testing the M9 and loving it) don’t use a camera in a way that optimizes it’s quality. That probably included Bresson and Smith. The bright line finder with it’s ability to see beyond the frame and keep everything sharp, is ideal for anticipating the moment in situations you don’t control. That is a huge part of the rangefinder appeal for many Leica photographers. Right now I’m wondering if there is a place on top of the Canon S90 that I could epoxy an accessory shoe for my Leitz bright line finders.

"Mike, Would you extend eligibility for the Leica Year to the X1?"

Not unless it has 18 millisecond shutter lag and a "fire priority" shutter, i.e., it takes a picture whenever you hit the shutter button regardless of whether it's ready or not.

Hate to be a stickler, but....

Mike

Just coming back on the astonishingly low LCD pixel count of the M9 and X1. Browsing on this site I realized Ctein may have given the answer on 17 August:

"More pixels in the LCD means lousier image quality - poorer color, less contrast and lower brightness. At today's technology level, those 900k displays are nearly useless in sunlight. (...) I'll take 300k good pixels over 900k crappy ones any day; I get a more useful info from looking at the former."

Could it be Leica opted for better legibility in bright sunlight ? This wouldn't be a bad choice, especially for the X1 which lacks an optical viewfinder. This would make it even more suitable for street photography.


Mark L, I'm the opposite about the Cuban photos. I thought they were excellent, not only the actual photos, but the IQ as well. I was actually pretty moved by them.

I also have an LX-3 and really like it a lot. That being said, the one place where its use of a tiny little sensor betrays itself is that even at base ISO whatever they are doing to avoid too much noise also completely destroys edge sharpness and even at moderate pixel peeping levels.

True. I'm always surprised at the touch of noise the LX3 still has at ISO 80.

Ironically I like the LX3 at ISO 400 (where you don't expect noiseless photos) or so more than I like it at ISO 80.

And the RAW files aren't much better than the jpegs. They have no headroom and Silkypix blows.

But, that being said, I still think I'd rather have the 24-60mm lens than a fixed 36mm equivalent. I'm guessing that a pockatable camera with a 24-60mm lens and F2.0 at the wide end would be pretty difficult. I'm assuming that sometime over the next few years they'll be making APS sized compact zooms but with the horrifically slow apertures that film compacts had.

Interestinly enough, I find that composing photos with an LCD screen instead of through an SLR viewfinder often improves the way I frame my photos.

If I could have something as fast as an SLR without the SLR tunnel vision I'd be happy.

Oh wait, I guess that would be an M9.

From what I can discern the new cameras look fantastic, and we know how good the lenses are, so congratulations to Leica!

But wait, something bothers me. What about all the folks who purchased M8s and M8.2s? Who's going to want an APC-C sensor M camera when a full-frame version is now available? I hear folks saying they're still happy with their M8s and M8.2s, but are they really? And how could they be happy? It's pretty hard to admit that you've been taken for a ride. Just being able to use a 35 Summicron as a 35mm instead of as a normal lens is alone enough to want an M9, even without taking into account the imaging advantages of a full-frame sensor.

So you have to wonder if Leica should have waited until their full-frame M camera was ready and released it as an M8 instead of the M8 they did release. Should Leica customers be paying beta testers while waiting for the company to get their act together? I don't care how deep one's pockets are you'd have to resent Leica for basically flim-flamming their loyal customers into buying an M8 when they knew all along that the M9 is the camera they should have released as their first digital M camera, as an M8. But you know what, I don't think anyone is going to complain much, and that's what's really sad.

Calling the M8 a beta for the M9 is like calling the D2x a "beta" for the D3. Let's be real here. If Leica waits a few years because they "know" a full frame sensor is in the pipeline they might not have been around to actually put the camera out.

And that assumes the ludicrous notion that they "knew" what the pipeline was with that level of certainty. If you think the future is that clear maybe you should get a job running a camera company. You could make a lot of money.

The X1 camera is very cheap:
A Summarit 35mm f2.5 is $1600 - and for those that dont understand why a good lens costs so much, visit an optical manufacturer to see for your selves.

Which for me means the camera is about $400 - I know there is a half stop difference between summarit and elmarit.

If I didnt have the G1, I would order now, but I shall simply wait until my G1 falls down and breaks :-)

Ravi

The other thing that surprises me - arent't the Japanese the leaders in miniturisation? In which case why are their full frame cameras bigger than a M9 and why is a Leica S2 with larger sensor the same size as the pro FF cameras? Or how does Leica get so much into a small package and isnt that worth paying for?

psu,

The Canon full-frame EOS-1Ds was available for sale (not just in development)in the spring of 2003, and the full-frame 5D in August of 2005. Pentax had announced at Photokina, as far back as September of 2000, the prototype MZ-D with the same sensor as the Contax N Digital (which was released to the public in 2002).

The Leica M8 was released in September of 2006, and the future was clear as can be long before then.

Player: Not sure what your point is.

Full-frame sensors have been around pretty much all along. It doesn't mean that it was practical to put them in a M8-type camera 3 years ago.

The Contax N Digital essentially killed off Contax, and if anything, Pentax was smart enough to pull the plug on the MZ-D before it killed them, so this may actually be the perfect counter-example.

"There will be no "British Penalty" for the M9—at $6,995 and £4,850, according to dpreview, the US and UK prices are right in line with the exchange rate. Kudos again, Leica."

No kudos for Leica from Australia. We have to pay Australian $10,500 (plus 10% GST = $11,550). At today's exchange rate thats US$9065. An "Aussie Penalty" of US$2000!

I think I just saw pigs fly.

35mm is the focal length I prefer (40mm at the most) and I like hard-mounted controls. I'd love to hear first-hand impressions of how the X1 responds (i.e. how quickly it shoots in MF mode, how much shutter lag there is, etc.)

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